Parallel Transport and Geodesics

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter muhammed yasser raso
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Curve Tensor
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of parallel transport of tensors along curves in the context of differential geometry and general relativity. Participants explore the conditions under which tensors can be parallel transported, the equations governing this process, and the differences between parallel transport and covariant derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about whether any arbitrary tensor can be parallel transported along any curve or if the curve must be defined first and then solved for using the parallel transport equation.
  • Others argue that as long as an affine connection is defined on the manifold, any tensor can be transported along any smooth curve using that connection.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of the parallel transport equation and what it specifically provides in terms of tensor behavior.
  • Participants note that the covariant derivative of a tensor does not always yield zero, prompting inquiries into how the parallel transport equation differs from the covariant derivative.
  • One participant explains that the parallel transport equation allows for the examination of how a tensor changes as it is transported along a path, emphasizing that solving the geodesic equation requires the change of the vector being transported to be zero.
  • Another participant elaborates on the relationship between parallel transport and differential equations, drawing parallels to ordinary calculus and discussing the implications of using different coordinate systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of parallel transport and its relationship with tensors and curves. Multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions and definitions involved in parallel transport.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about affine connections, the definitions of tensors, and the specific conditions under which parallel transport is applicable. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical framework involved.

muhammed yasser raso
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
TL;DR
can any arbitrary tensor be parallel transported along any direction
So i am confused as to what can be parallel transported , can an arbitrary tensor be transported along any curve that we wish , or do we define a curve and then solve the equation of parallel transport (which is a linear first order differential equation ) and then the solutions we get from there are the only vectors or tensors that can be parallel transported ?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
muhammed yasser raso said:
So i am confused as to what can be parallel transported , can an arbitrary tensor be transported along any curve that we wish
Sure, as long as you have an affine connection defined on your manifold (either metric compatible or not) then you can transport any tensor along any smooth curve using that connection.
 
thank you , what does the parallel transport equation give us ?
 
because the covariant derivative of a tensor wont always give us zero , what makes the parallel transport equation different ?
 
You can parallel transport anything. ##\nabla_\mu T^{\nu\rho}{}_\sigma## tells you how the tensor changes from a small step in the direction of your ##\mu##th basis vector, and ##X^\mu\nabla_\mu T^{\nu\rho}{}_\sigma## tells you how it changes from a small step in the direction of the vector ##X##. By chaining small (infinitesimal, in fact) steps together you can see what happens to an arbitrary tensor as it is transported along a path, using the path's tangent vector as ##X## at each step.

When you solve the geodesic equation, though, you are requiring that the change of the vector you are transporting be zero. That defines a path, because at each step there is only one choice of vector ##X## that gives zero change.

Physically, you can define a vector pointing along your nose. Solving the geodesic equation for that vector tells you where you will end up if you just walk and follow your nose. But you can also stick your arm out to the right and define a vector along that and ask how that vector changes as you follow your nose - or any other path.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: PeterDonis and cianfa72
Just to be more specific: suppose you have a curve ##C## and ##X^{\mu}## is the tangent vector along it. Then you have a tensor ##T^{\nu\rho}{}_\sigma## defined on the starting point ##P##. Solving the parallel transport equation $$X^\mu\nabla_\mu T^{\nu\rho}{}_\sigma = 0$$ does mean calculate the "parallel transported version" of the tensor ##T^{\nu\rho}{}_\sigma## along that curve ##C##.
 
muhammed yasser raso said:
thank you , what does the parallel transport equation give us ?
Parallel transport and the differential equation are aspects of the same concept. Which one should be used, depends on the problem you're facing. Loosely speaking, it is the generalization to curved spacetime of the constant field on a curve from ordinary calculus in ##R^n##.

Consider first calculus in ##R^2##, in Cartesian coordinates. Suppose there is an affinely parametrized open curve ##\gamma(\lambda)## and a point ##P=\gamma(0)## on it. Let ##f(P)## (scalar, vector, tensor) be a function value at ##P##. Since the tangent spaces at each point of ##R^2## are "the same", we can allow ourselves to duplicate ##f(P)## at all points of ##\gamma##, to create a constant function on it. This function will satisfy ##\frac{d f}{d \lambda}=0##. The components of ##f## will be the same at each point.

Consider now polar coordinates on ##R^2##. You can create a constant field on a curve from the value at ##P##, by demanding that they all have the same "length" and "cartesian direction" (just like before). But this time, if ##f(P)## is a tensor, the components will not satisfy ##\frac{d f}{d \lambda}=0## in general. You'll need additional terms to compensate for using polar coordinates (connections).

Generalizing to curved spacetime, the function on ##\gamma## will be considered as "constant" if it satisfies ##\nabla_\vec{u} f=0##, where ##\vec{u}## is the tangent vector to the curve. This means that ##f## is parallel transported from the tangent space of ##\gamma(\lambda)## to the tangent space of an infinitely close ##\gamma(\lambda+\epsilon)## by an expression of the form $$f(\gamma(\lambda+\epsilon))= f(\gamma(\lambda))+\epsilon f(\gamma(\lambda)) \Gamma$$
To convince yourself that this generalization is "good", consider the coordinate transformation to a locally inertial frame at the point ##\gamma(\lambda)##. In this frame ##g_{\mu \nu}=\eta_{\mu \nu}## and all ##\Gamma##s are zero. So the parallel transport amounts to duplicating the components, and the equation reduces to ##\frac{d f}{d \lambda}=0##, Just as in ordinary calculus.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
1K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
3K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
2K
  • · Replies 63 ·
3
Replies
63
Views
6K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
1K