Parallel Wires and Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around the interaction between two parallel wires carrying currents in the same direction, focusing on the magnetic forces involved and the work done on the moving wire. The original poster questions whether the statement that magnetic fields do no work on moving charged particles is violated in this scenario.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of work done by magnetic forces, questioning how the magnetic force affects the motion of the second wire. There is a focus on the relationship between the direction of force and the motion of charges within the wire.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of work and force in the context of magnetic fields. Some have offered insights into the distinction between work done on the wire versus the charges, indicating a productive exploration of the topic without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the relationship between the magnetic force and the work done, particularly in how it relates to the movement of charges and the wire itself. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on these concepts.

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Consider 2 parallel wires with currents running down them in the same direction. The first is fixed in place unable to move. The second is allowed to move. They exert an attractive magnetic force on one another, and the second wire moves towards the first. The second moves and speeds up; work is done. Magnetic fields do no work on moving charged particles. Is this statement violated in this situation?



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Not really sure. It seems like the magnetic force would be enough to allow the 2nd wire to move, although the field itself does no work, the magnetic force can?
 
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To solve this you have to really look hard at the forces. No work is done on the charges. But that doesn't mean no work is done on the wire.

Work is F.dl. The charges are moving perpendicular to the force, so that's zero. Is there anything that is moving along F?
 
Antiphon said:
To solve this you have to really look hard at the forces. No work is done on the charges. But that doesn't mean no work is done on the wire.

Work is F.dl. The charges are moving perpendicular to the force, so that's zero. Is there anything that is moving along F?

I'm so confused! So F and v are always perpendicular so that is why there cannot be any work done. F=ILB and there is current through the wire so does that have something to do with it?
 
Think of it like this; the charge is moving along the wire but the force is perpendicular to the wire. So the force pulling on the wire (sideways) can't be doing work on the charges along their direction of motion.

That doesn't mean that work isn't being done to accelerate the wire sideways- it is. But the sideways acceleration doesn't do work against the current, it does work against the mass of the wire to accelerate it sideways.

The work goes into moving the wire sideways, not pushing or pulling on the charges along the direction of the wire.
 

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