Parametrization of implicit curve

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The discussion revolves around the parametrization of the implicit curve defined by the equation y² + 3x - x³ = C, where C is a non-zero real number. Participants are exploring the challenges associated with parametrizing this curve, particularly in the context of its symmetry and behavior at various points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the symmetry of the curve about the x-axis and the implications of this symmetry for parametrization. There are attempts to express the curve in terms of trigonometric identities, but these efforts are met with uncertainty. Observations about the curve's shape and behavior at specific points are shared, raising questions about the feasibility of parametrization given the implicit nature of the equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and observations about the curve's properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding understanding the curve before attempting parametrization, and there is recognition of the complexity involved in addressing the implicit nature of the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need to consider the real roots of the polynomial formed by rearranging the equation, as well as the intervals where the values of y are real. There is an acknowledgment of the constraints imposed by the implicit form of the curve and the challenges this presents for finding a suitable parametrization.

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Homework Statement


y^2 + 3x - x^3 = C, C\in\mathbb{R}\setminus\{0\}

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The Attempt at a Solution


Keeping in mind that ##\cos ^2\alpha + \sin ^2\alpha = 1##
I would go about it
\left (\frac{y}{\sqrt{C}}\right )^2 + \left (\frac{\sqrt{3x-x^3}}{\sqrt{C}}\right )^2 = 1
would then?
for some interval for ##t##
##\sin t = \frac{y}{\sqrt{C}}##
##\cos t = \frac{\sqrt{3x-x^3}}{\sqrt{C}}##
this doesn't look so good, can't get anywhere with it

I can't remember this part at all and every piece of parametrization I have been able to google is either for explicit curves or obvious identity parametrizations, in other words, not very helpful.
 
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Obs. 1: This curve is symmetrical about the x-axis.
Obs. 2: ##3x - x^3## slopes positively at the origin. It also has the general shape, down-up-down.

Let ##z = y^2##, ##3x - x^3 = C - z##.

Obs. 3: ##C - z## is the ##y## intercept, ##z## moves the graph down. The question being asked is, what are the x-intercepts when the y intercept is C-z.

Essentially, we are placing the x-axis at ##y = C##, mirroring the part below the axis to above the axis, and applying a square-root transformation. When ##y = 4##, ##z = 16##, etc. It all gets squashed.

So looking at that, I don't see how you could hope to parametrize it.
 
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verty said:
Obs. 1: This curve is symmetrical about the x-axis.
Obs. 2: ##3x - x^3## slopes positively at the origin. It also has the general shape, down-up-down.

Let ##z = y^2##, ##3x - x^3 = C - z##.

Obs. 3: ##C - z## is the ##y## intercept, ##z## moves the graph down. The question being asked is, what are the x-intercepts when the y intercept is C-z.

Essentially, we are placing the x-axis at ##y = C##, mirroring the part below the axis to above the axis, and applying a square-root transformation. When ##y = 4##, ##z = 16##, etc. It all gets squashed.

So looking at that, I don't see how you could hope to parametrize it.
Hmm, from what you say I gather there are a number of criteria for a curve to be "parametrizable".
 
nuuskur said:

Homework Statement


y^2 + 3x - x^3 = C, C\in\mathbb{R}\setminus\{0\}

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I can't remember this part at all and every piece of parametrization I have been able to google is either for explicit curves or obvious identity parametrizations, in other words, not very helpful.

Before attempting to parametrize the curve (if possible), try to understand it first. For example, if you take ##C = 1## you have two curves
y = \sqrt{ x^3 - 3 x + 1} \;\;\; \text{(Curve C1)}
and
y = - \sqrt{ x^3 - 3 x + 1} \;\;\; \text{(Curve C2)}

If ##x_1, x_2, x_3## are the real roots of ##f(x) = x^3 - 3 x + 1##, we have ##x_1 = -1.879385242##, ##x_2 = 0.3472963553## and ##x_3 = 1.532088886##. We have ##f(x) > 0## on ##(x_1,x_2)## and on ##(x_3 \infty)##, so the values of ##y## are real on those two intervals. Thus, there are really two pairs of (C1,C2) curves, one pair for ##x_1 \leq x \leq x_2## and another pair for ##x \geq x_3##. All the curves satisfy ##y = 0## at ##x = x_1, x_2, x_3##. Somehow, any parametrization you cook up would need to recognize all those issues.
 

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