PartB Distribution of coefficent in immiscible solvents

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The discussion revolves around the distribution coefficients of various acids between water and methylene chloride, focusing on the solubility of these compounds in immiscible solvents. Participants explore the implications of their lab results and the chemical properties influencing solubility.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents lab results for the distribution coefficients of benzoic acid, succinic acid, and sodium benzoate, calculating K values based on solute weights in each solvent.
  • Another participant questions the polarity of methylene chloride and its ability to dissolve ionic substances, specifically sodium benzoate.
  • Some participants suggest that sodium benzoate dissolves in water due to ionic bonding but express uncertainty about its solubility in methylene chloride.
  • There is a discussion about the solubility of benzoic acid and succinic acid, with some arguing that they primarily dissolve in water due to their polar nature, while still having some solubility in methylene chloride.
  • A later reply raises questions about the dissociation of benzoic acid and the solubility of its charged and uncharged forms in both solvents, as well as bringing caffeine into the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the solubility of sodium benzoate in methylene chloride, with differing opinions on the solubility of acids in the two solvents. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of polarity and dissociation on solubility.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the solubility of certain compounds in methylene chloride and the factors affecting distribution coefficients, including the nature of ionic and polar interactions. There are unresolved questions about the behavior of charged versus uncharged forms of acids in different solvents.

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Homework Statement


Hey guys, I have lab result here for Distribution of coefficient for the solid between water and metylene chloride


Benzoic Acid: 5mg (Weight of solute in methylene chloride)
45mg (Weight of the solute in water )

Succinic Acid: 1mg (Weight of solute in methylene chloride)
49mg (Weight of the solute in water)

Sodium Benzoate: none ( Weight of solute in methylene )
50mg (Weight of the solute in water)



Homework Equations


Becaue the volume of methylene chloride and water (2mL each) are the same in my lab,
K (distribution of coefficient)
= (the weight of the solute in methylene chloride)/ (the weight of solute in water)



The Attempt at a Solution



Benzoic Acid: K=5/45=0.11
Succinic Acid: K=1/49=0.02
Sodium Benzoate: K=0/50=0

Well, I just did what the equation say that but I'm not so sure why the values of K are so small number campare to caffeine K is 4.6 between methylene chloride and water. Thank you so much in advance.



 
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Is methylene chloride polar enough to dissolve ionic substance?
 
if you are referring to sodium benzoate, it dissoloves in water completely becaue of the inonic bond, I think.
 
Will it dissolve in methylene chloride?

What about acids?
 
I don't think sodium benzoate dissolves in methylene chloride becaue methylene chloride is organic compound and non polar. Other acids such as benzoic acid and succinic acid dissolves mostly in Water because they are di-polar but still dissolves tiny amount in methyle chloride.
 
Not bad. Perhaps you don't have a full picture yet, but you are definitely on the right track.

Benzoic acid is weak, or strong? What happens when it dissociates? What about solubility of charged and uncharged forms in both solvents?

What about caffeine?
 

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