Partial Derivative of $\rho$ w.r.t. $t$ in Vector Dependent on $x$ and $t$

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mathematical treatment of the equation \(\frac{d\rho}{dt}=-\nabla\cdot\rho v\), specifically focusing on taking the partial derivative with respect to time \(t\). The context involves exploring the implications of vector fields and their dependencies on spatial and temporal variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to take the partial derivative of the divergence term in the given equation.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the equation to incorporate partial derivatives explicitly, indicating a potential simplification.
  • A third participant proposes a specific form for the partial derivative, assuming \(\rho\) is a function of time and \(v\) is a function of space, but does not clarify the dependency of \(\rho\) on \(t\) in their response.
  • A later reply challenges the assumptions made about the dependencies of \(\rho\) and \(v\), arguing for a more general case where both are functions of both \(x\) and \(t\), and provides a detailed expansion of the divergence term.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dependencies of \(\rho\) and \(v\), with some assuming specific forms while others advocate for a more general approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct treatment of the partial derivative.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the functional dependencies of \(\rho\) and \(v\), which are not uniformly agreed upon. The discussion also highlights the complexity of applying the divergence operator in this context.

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I have the equation

[itex]\frac{d\rho}{dt}[/itex]=-[itex]\nabla[/itex][itex]\cdot[/itex][itex]\rho v[/itex]

where the vector v depends only x and t.

I want to take the partial derivative of this whole equation with respect to t.

Just not sure how to take the partial of the divergence. Thanks!
 
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Why don't you write out the equivalent equation, replacing the del operator with the partial derivatives incorporated in its meaning?
 
[itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t} \left(\nabla\cdot\rho v\right)[/itex]

v a vector again x component only

[itex]\frac{\partial\rho}{\partial t}[/itex][itex]\cdot v[/itex]+[itex]\rho[/itex][itex]\frac{dv}{dx}[/itex]

knowing rho is with respect to time and v with x.

Yay or nay?
 
Well, that's not the same problem now! In your first post you stated that v was a function of both x and t and did not say anything about [itex]\rho[/itex]. Assuming the most general case, that both v and [itex]\rho[/itex] are functions of both x and t, and writing v= f(x,t)i+ g(x,t)j+ h(x,t)k then we have [itex]\rho v= \rho(x,t)f(x,t)i+ \rho(x,t)g(x,t)j+ \rho(x,t)h(x,t)k[/itex] and
[tex]\nabla\cdot \rho v= \frac{\partial \rho f}{\partial x}+ \frac{\partial\rho g}{\partial y}+ \frac{\partial \rho h}{\partial z}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{\partial\rho}{\partial x}f+ \rho \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+ \frac{\partial\rho}{\partial y}g+ \rho \frac{\partial g}{\partial y}+ \frac{\partial\rho}{\partial z}h+ \rho\frac{\partial h}{\partial z}[/tex]
[tex]= \nabla\rho\cdot v+ \rho \nabla\cdot v[/tex]
 

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