Partial Derivatives: Solving Difficult Problems

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The discussion revolves around finding partial derivatives of two functions, focusing on the application of differentiation techniques in multivariable calculus. Participants are seeking explicit guidance on how to approach these problems, which involve both direct differentiation and implicit differentiation.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two problems involving partial derivatives, indicating uncertainty about the differentiation process.
  • Another participant confirms the first function's formulation and seeks clarification on the second function, suggesting a potential error in its representation.
  • A later reply provides a detailed approach to finding the partial derivative of the first function, emphasizing the application of standard differentiation rules.
  • For the second function, a participant suggests using implicit differentiation and outlines the necessary steps, while also assuming a relationship between variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the formulation of the first function, while there is uncertainty regarding the second function's representation. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to seek clarification and guidance on the differentiation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding implicit differentiation and the application of differentiation rules in multivariable contexts. There are indications of potential errors in the formulation of the second problem, but these remain uncorrected.

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Hello

I'm currently trying to solve these two problems:

1) Find the partial derivatives ∂m/∂q and ∂m/∂h of the function:

m=ln(qh-2h^2)+2e^(q-h^2+3)^4-7

Here, I know I should differentiate m with respect to q while treating h as a constant and vice versa. But I'm still stuck, and I'm not sure how to actually do it.

2) Find the partial derivative ∂z/∂x of the function:

(z+1)^3y-(zx)^2-3=x/z-ln(xyz)-5xy^2

I have tried some implicit differentiation here, but I can't really make it work out.

Please explain how to solve the two problems very explicitly.
 
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Lillery said:
Hello

I'm currently trying to solve these two problems:

1) Find the partial derivatives ∂m/∂q and ∂m/∂h of the function:

m=ln(qh-2h^2)+2e^(q-h^2+3)^4-7

Here, I know I should differentiate m with respect to q while treating h as a constant and vice versa. But I'm still stuck, and I'm not sure how to actually do it.

So you have
$$m=\ln(qh-2h^2)+2e^{(q-h^2+3)^4}-7.$$
Is this correct?

2) Find the partial derivative ∂z/∂x of the function:

(z+1)^3y-(zx)^2-3=x/z-ln(xyz)-5xy^2

I have tried some implicit differentiation here, but I can't really make it work out.

Please explain how to solve the two problems very explicitly.

So here you have
$$(z+1)^{3y}-(zx)^2-3=\frac{x}{z}-\ln(xyz)-5xy^2.$$
Is that correct?
 
Ackbach said:
So you have
$$m=\ln(qh-2h^2)+2e^{(q-h^2+3)^4}-7.$$
Is this correct?

So here you have
$$(z+1)^{3y}-(zx)^2-3=\frac{x}{z}-\ln(xyz)-5xy^2.$$
Is that correct?

1) Yes :-)

2) Not exactly. Here you have it:
 

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Ok, so for the first one, you have
\begin{align*}
\pd{m}{q}&=\pd{}{q}\left[\ln(qh-2h^2)+2e^{(q-h^2+3)^4}-7\right] \\
&=\frac{1}{qh-2h^2} \, \pd{}{q}(qh-2h^2)+2e^{(q-h^2+3)^4}\,\pd{}{q}\left[(q-h^2+3)^4\right].
\end{align*}
Can you continue? All the normal rules apply: products, quotients, and composition.

For the second one, we use the same procedure we use for functions of a single variable. Here we are assuming that $z=z(x,y)$, and hence we compute:
$$\pd{}{x}\left[ (z+1)^3 y-(zx)^2-3=\frac{x}{z}-\ln(xyz)-5xy^2 \right],$$
or
$$3(z+1)^2y\pd{z}{x}-(2zx^2\pd{z}{x}+2z^2x)=\frac{z-x\pd{z}{x}}{z^2}-\frac{1}{xyz}\pd{(xyz)}{x}-5y^2.$$
Can you continue?
 

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