Calculate partial derivatives and mixed partial derivatives

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The discussion centers around the calculation of partial derivatives and mixed partial derivatives for functions of multiple variables, specifically addressing the implications of holding certain variables constant during differentiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about whether differentiating a function of three variables with respect to one variable implies that the partial derivative becomes a function of that variable only.
  • Another participant clarifies that differentiating with respect to one variable while holding others constant does not eliminate the dependence on those other variables.
  • A participant questions the correctness of expressing the partial derivative as a function of a single variable.
  • Responses indicate that unless the other variables disappear as a result of differentiation, they remain part of the function.
  • It is noted that evaluating the derivative at a specific point can yield a function of one variable, but this is a separate consideration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the partial derivative does not become a function of a single variable alone unless the other variables are eliminated, but there is some uncertainty about the implications of this in specific contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the conditions under which variables may be considered to "disappear" during differentiation and how this affects the interpretation of the partial derivatives.

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Hi. I know how to calculate partial derivatives and mixed partial derivatives such as ∂2f/∂x∂y but I've now become confused about something. If I have a function of 3 variables eg. f(x,y,z) and I calculate ∂x then I am differentiating wrt x while holding y and z constant. Does that mean ∂x then becomes a function of x only ie does ∂x f(x,y,z) = φ( x ) ? If it does then ∂y and ∂z will always be zero but I know this is not the case. I'm confused !
 
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dyn said:
Hi. I know how to calculate partial derivatives and mixed partial derivatives such as ∂2f/∂x∂y but I've now become confused about something. If I have a function of 3 variables eg. f(x,y,z) and I calculate ∂x then I am differentiating wrt x while holding y and z constant. Does that mean ∂x then becomes a function of x only ie does ∂x f(x,y,z) = φ( x ) ? If it does then ∂y and ∂z will always be zero but I know this is not the case. I'm confused !
No. It's still a function of three variables.
Differentiating along a single variable simply means to consider the change in values along this coordinate.

You might want to play around a little with Wolfram, e.g. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=f(x,y)+=+xy^3++4+x^2
Imagine the partial derivation ##\partial_x## as a tangent in ##x-##direction. It still varies with ##y## and ##z##.
 
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Thanks. So it is incorrect to write ∂x f(x, y ,z) = g ( x ) ?
 
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Thanks. So it is incorrect to write ∂x f(x, y ,z) = g ( x ) ?
Unless the variables y and z disappear as a result of differentiating wrt x, they are still there. They might disappear, but don't count on it.
 
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dyn said:
Thanks. So it is incorrect to write ∂x f(x, y ,z) = g ( x ) ?
Yes.

You could of course evaluate the derivative at some point ##p=(x_0,y_0,z_0)## and get
$$\frac{\partial}{\partial_x}\bigg{|}_p f(x,y,z) = g(x_0,y_0,z_0)$$
Or if you want to examine the ##x-##component, you could consider ##g(x,y_0,z_0)## and get a function in one variable, because you fixed ##y=y_0## and ##z=z_0##. But this is another issue.
 
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