Partial fractions (?) to solve first order DE

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a first-order differential equation, specifically a Bernoulli equation, using integration techniques and partial fractions. Participants explore methods for integrating the equation and express challenges related to the use of partial fractions in the presence of surds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation and notes its separability, seeking assistance with integration.
  • Another participant suggests a substitution method involving \( u = e^{-y} \) to transform the equation for easier integration.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in applying partial fractions to the transformed equation, specifically in determining coefficients.
  • Another participant argues against the use of partial fractions due to the presence of surds, recommending a change of variable to simplify the expression.
  • Further advice is given on completing the square and using trigonometric or hyperbolic substitutions to eliminate surds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present differing views on the applicability of partial fractions when surds are involved, with some suggesting alternative methods while others continue to explore the original approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct application of techniques and the resolution of coefficients in the context of partial fractions and surds.

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hello world,

I've been doing some summertime training to brush up my math skills and have been struggling with this

[dy]/[/dt]=(4exp(-y)+const*exp(-2y))^1/2

In fact this is the simplified version of a Bernouilli equation. I know that it is separable, I'm just struggling with the integration with respect to "y".

If anybody could help that'd be wonderful. Thanks a lot, have a nice day!

~huckleberry
 
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Your equation is
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}= \left(e^{-y}+ Ce^{-2y}\right)^{1/2}[/tex]
which can be written as
[tex]\frac{dy}{\left(e^{-y}+ Ce^{-2y}\right)^{1/2}}= dx[/tex]

I would let [itex]u= e^{-y}[/itex] so that [itex]du= -e^{-y}dy[/itex] and [itex]du/u= -dy[/itex] In terms of u, the equation becomes
[tex]\frac{du}{u\left(u+ Cu^2\right)^{1/2}}= dt[/tex]
 
HallsOfIvy,

Thank you for you response.

I tried your method and I've run up against a similar problem as before, when i tried partial fractions. I can't seem to solve correctly for the coefficients.

A/u +B/(u+C*u^2)^(1/2)=1

A*(u+C*u^2)^(1/2) +Bu=1

choosing u=(-1/C) --> B=-C

however, I get stuck looking A, the only way to make the B drop is to set u=0, which is not coherent.

do you have a hint for me? thanks.

~huckleberry
 
ps ( how do you enter the equations so nicely?)
 
I don't believe you can use partial fractions when there are surds involved.
Try making a change of variable to get the surd in the form √(u2+B) (where B may be negative in this case), then look for a trig or hyperbolic trig substitution to make the surd collapse.
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At some point, after completing the square and having eliminated the surd through haruspex's advice, you probably will need to make another substitution of te form v=Tan(u/2), or v=Tanh(u/2).
 

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