Partial pressures and mole fractions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating partial pressures, mole fractions, and the Henry's Law constant for a solution of ethanol and chloroform at 45°C. Participants are addressing specific homework problems related to vapor pressure and mole fractions in both the liquid and vapor phases, as well as predictions for different mole fractions in the solution.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the partial pressure of ethanol using the total pressure and mole fraction, but questions whether the approach is correct.
  • Another participant clarifies that the partial pressure should be calculated using the vapor pressure of the pure substance, not the total pressure of the solution.
  • There is a correction regarding the calculation of chloroform's partial pressure, emphasizing that it cannot be derived from the pressure of the pure substance alone.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using different values for the total pressure and how it affects the calculations for mole fractions and the Henry's Law constant.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to find vapor-phase mole fractions and the vapor pressure for a different mole fraction of ethanol in the solution.
  • Another participant suggests that the approach to calculating the vapor-phase mole fractions is acceptable but does not provide a definitive answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach for all parts of the problem, particularly regarding the calculations for chloroform's partial pressure and the application of constants for predicting vapor pressure and mole fractions. Multiple competing views remain on how to correctly apply the principles involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the use of total pressure versus the vapor pressure of pure substances. Participants also express uncertainty about the correct application of Henry's Law in this context.

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This discussion may be useful for students working on similar problems involving vapor pressures, mole fractions, and the application of Henry's Law in solutions of volatile substances.

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Homework Statement


A solution of ethanol (eth) and chloroform (chl) at 45°C with xeth = 0.9900 has a vapor pressure of 177.95 torr. At this high dilution of chloroform, the solution can be assumed to be ideally dilute. The vapor pressure of pure ethanol at 45°C is 172.76 torr.
(a) Find the partial pressures of the gases in equilibrium with the solution
(b) Find the mole fractions in the vapor phase
(c) Find the Henry’s Law constant for chloroform in ethanol at 45°C
(d) Predict the vapor pressure and vapor-phase mole fractions at 45°C for a chloroform-ethanol solution with xeth = 0.9800. Compare with the experimental values P = 183.38 torr and =0.9242.


Homework Equations


partial pressure = total pressure x mole fraction
X(gas) = P / P(total)
Total vapor pressure = (X(eth)*P(eth)) + (X(chl)*P(chl))
K=P/x (henry's law constant)

The Attempt at a Solution


For part a, if I use the equation partial pressure = total pressure x mole fraction I get
p(eth)=0.99(177.95) --> p(eth)=171.0324 torr. x(chl)= 1-.99=.01
p(chl)=.01(177.95) --> (chl)=1.7276 torr.
is this right?

For part b assuming part a is right,
X(eth) = P(eth) / P(total)
x(eth)=(171.0324)/177.95 = 0.961
x(chl) 1-.961 = .039

part c:
Total vapor pressure = (X(eth)*P(eth)) + (X(chl)*P(chl))
177.95torr = (0.99*172.76) + (.01*P(chl))
P(chl)=691.76 torr = 0.910atm
K=P(chl)/x
K=0.910 atm/.01 = 91 atm <--- the x that I use is .01 right? not the .039 that I found in part b?

d:
This one I'm not sure about. The only thing I could think of is from the given part:
177.95 torr / .9900 = p / .9800
then p= 176.15 but this doesn't seem right and I don't know how to find the vapor-phase mole fractions

Sorry it's so much but I really want to make sure I'm doing this right. Any help is appreciated!
 
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johnny b said:
partial pressure = total pressure x mole fraction

Not total pressure, but pressure above pure substance.
 
Then how do I find partial pressure? And are the rest of the parts right? Thanks for the reply
 
You are given pressure over a pure substance in the question.
 
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Oh ok so for part a I would use 172.76 instead of 177.95?
p(eth)=0.99(172.76)=171.0324 torr. x(chl)= 1-.99=.01
p(chl)=.01(172.76)=1.7276 torr. The answers came out the same I think I accidentally typed the wrong number in the calculator the first time..
 
p(chl) is wrong. You can't calculate partial pressure of the substance over solution using pressure over other pure substance.

However, you know total pressure over mixture and you have calculated partial pressure for one of two components.
 
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Oh yea duh I should have known that.
p(eth) = 171.0324 torr
Total pressure = partial pressure(eth) + partial pressure(chl)
177.95 = 171.0324 - p
p(chl) = 6.9175 torr

So fixing the other parts,
For part b,
X(eth) = P(eth) / P(total)
x(eth)=(171.0324)/177.95 = 0.961
x(chl) 1-.961 = .039

part c:
I use the partial pressure found in part a
K=P(chl)/x
K=6.9175 torr/.01 = 691.75 torr <--- the x that I use is .01 right? not the .039 that I found in part b since that was for the vapor phase?

d:
This one I'm not sure about. The only thing I could think of is from the given part:
177.95 torr / .9900 = p / .9800
then p= 176.15 but this doesn't seem right and I don't know how to find the vapor-phase mole fractions
 
Seems like approach to bc is OK, although I just skimmed.

d is just a direct application of both constants - one that was given and one that you have calculated.
 
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for part d I'm given x(eth)=0.9800 and I calculated x(eth)=0.961
I'm looking for the vapor pressure and vapor-phase mole fractions.. I'm really not sure how to apply the two constants together
 

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