Partial sum of the harmonic series

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The discussion revolves around finding a natural number N that satisfies the inequality involving the partial sum of the harmonic series, specifically \(\sum^{N}_{i=1} \frac{1}{i} > 100\). Participants explore various approaches to understand the behavior of this series and its relationship to integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss attempts to find a closed form for the harmonic series and explore numerical methods using software like Maple. Some suggest considering the series as a Riemann sum to approximate an integral. Others question the applicability of integrals given their current level of study.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem. Some participants have provided hints and suggestions, such as using integral approximations, while others have introduced concepts related to the divergence of the harmonic series. Multiple interpretations and approaches are being discussed without a clear consensus on a single method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they have not yet covered integrals in their coursework, which may limit their ability to apply certain mathematical techniques. Additionally, there is a mention of needing to select an integer greater than a calculated value, indicating a constraint in the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


I have to find a natural number N that satisfies this equation:

[itex]\sum^{N}_{i=1} \frac{1}{i} > 100[/itex]


Homework Equations


I tried finding a close form of the sum but couldn't find anything useful.


The Attempt at a Solution


Well after trying some numbers in maple I found a few very large numbers satisfying the inequality.

Any hints are much appreciated.
 
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AwesomeTrains said:

Homework Statement


I have to find a natural number N that satisfies this equation:

[itex]\sum^{N}_{i=1} \frac{1}{i} > 100[/itex]


Homework Equations


I tried finding a close form of the sum but couldn't find anything useful.


The Attempt at a Solution


Well after trying some numbers in maple I found a few very large numbers satisfying the inequality.

Any hints are much appreciated.

Think of the sum as representing a Riemann sum approximating the value of an integral.
 
Attempt

Thanks for the tip, I have only been doing analysis for around 3 months and we haven't started using integrals yet. Until now we have only looked at sequences and series, are there any other ways of doing it?
Anyways, here is my attempt.
[itex]\sum[/itex][itex]^{N}_{i}\frac{1}{i} > \int ^{N+1}_{1} \frac{1}{i}di = ln(N+1) = 100[/itex]
(From wikipedia)
Then I can easily solve for N and get [itex]N=e^{100}-1\approx 2.6881\cdot10^{43}[/itex]
Thanks for the help :)
 
AwesomeTrains said:
Thanks for the tip, I have only been doing analysis for around 3 months and we haven't started using integrals yet. Until now we have only looked at sequences and series, are there any other ways of doing it?
Anyways, here is my attempt.
[itex]\sum[/itex][itex]^{N}_{i}\frac{1}{i} > \int ^{N+1}_{1} \frac{1}{i}di = ln(N+1) = 100[/itex]
(From wikipedia)
Then I can easily solve for N and get [itex]N=e^{100}-1\approx 2.6881\cdot10^{43}[/itex]
Thanks for the help :)

Yes, I think that's it. But your N there isn't an integer - you want to pick any integer greater than that number. Just a detail.
 
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Have you seen the proof that ##\sum_1^\infty \frac 1 i## diverges? You can use that to get a value of N without doing any calculations with logs and exponentials.

The basic idea of the proof is
1/3 + 1/4 > 2(1/4) = 1/2
1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 > 4(1/8) = 1/2
1/9 ... + 1/16 > 8(1/16) = 1/2
etc

So you can find N = a power of 2, that makes the sum > 200(1/2).
 

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