Particle Collision: Example & Kinetic Energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around examples of particle collisions involving only attractive forces, specifically focusing on the nature of kinetic energy in such collisions. It includes inquiries about real-world instances, historical context, and theoretical considerations related to particle accelerators.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Sam inquires about natural examples of two particles with only attractive forces colliding and questions the fate of kinetic energy in such scenarios.
  • Bob cites Fermilab's proton-antiproton collisions as a significant example, noting the high kinetic energy involved and the emergence of additional particles.
  • Sam asks for more examples beyond Fermilab, expressing curiosity about the uniqueness of this collision type.
  • Bob provides additional examples, including collisions at the former LEP and SPS colliders, as well as an electron-proton collider at DESY.
  • Sam shifts the topic to inquire about early theorists who considered such collisions before the advent of particle accelerators.
  • Bob mentions Burt Richter as a key figure in discussing electron-positron collisions in the 1950s and references earlier experiments at the MIT-Harvard CEA.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the uniqueness of the examples provided, and the discussion remains open regarding the historical context of theoretical considerations about particle collisions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of kinetic energy in attractive force collisions or the completeness of the examples provided. There is also uncertainty regarding the identification of theorists involved in early discussions of particle collisions.

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Hello,

Is there an example in nature of two particles with only an attractive force between them directly colliding? If so, where does the kinetic energy go?

Sam
 
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Fermilab collides protons with antiprotons (opposite charge, attractive-Coulomb-force particles), and lots of extra particles emerge from the collision point. The kinetic energy of the collision (≈980 GeV per incident particle) is about 1000 times greater than the rest-mass energy (≈0.938 GeV). See

http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/physics/collider/index.html

Bob S
 
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Bob,

Thank you for the reply. Do you know if there are other examples in addition to this one? I am curious if this is this example is unique or if there are a range of examples of this type of collision.

Sam
 
The Fermilab Tevatron is the best example (see my previous post) I can think of that has two mutually attractive particles colliding. Three other examples are:

The former LEP (Large Electron Positron) accelerator at CERN colliding electrons and positrons at about 50 GeV per particle.

The former proton anti-proton collider (SPS, Super Proton Synchrotron) at CERN colliding protons and anti-protons at about 300 GeV per particle.

There was also an electron-proton collider at DESY (in Hamburg Germany).

There may be other particle colliders...

Bob S
 
Bob,

Thanks. That gives me a good perspective.

This is a bit of different question, but do you know what physicist theorized about such collisions before there were particle accelerators? I assume they must have considered the possibility.


Sam
 
The first physicist that talked seriously about building a machine for electron-positron collisions (I think) was Burt Richter at Stanford in the mid 1950's (at the Mark III electron accelerator). I now recall that electron-positron collisions were done at the joint MIT-Harvard CEA (Cambridge Electron Accelerator) about 1970.

Theorists? ... I don't know.

Bob S
 

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