Particle & Energy: Does Mass Decrease with Speed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of mass in relation to the speed of light, particularly whether mass decreases or increases as a particle approaches light speed. It explores theoretical implications, historical context, and interpretations of Einstein's theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that slowing down a photon would result in a decrease in its mass, challenging the conventional understanding of mass and speed.
  • Others argue that photons always travel at the speed of light and cannot be slowed down, suggesting that mass concepts do not apply to massless particles.
  • A participant claims that the idea of mass increasing with velocity is not a consequence of Einstein's theory and that modern interpretations reject this notion, advocating for a constant mass view with a variable relativistic factor.
  • Another participant contests the assertion that the mass increase concept is erroneous, stating that it originated from Einstein's work but was later recognized by him as a mistake.
  • Further clarification is provided that while Einstein initially contributed to the concept, he later discarded it, and its proliferation was largely due to others rather than his continued endorsement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of mass in relation to speed, with some supporting the idea of mass increase and others rejecting it. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the historical evolution of the concept of mass in physics and the varying interpretations of Einstein's theories, indicating a lack of consensus on the implications of mass and speed.

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If we slow down a particle of light or any(photon) speed, would the mass of it will decrease. Reverse to what Einstein said ' as you reaches speed of light or light speed the mass of light it start increasing mass.
 
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Photon speed is constant. You can't slow it down.

Things which travel at the speed of light always travel at the speed of light.
Things (with mass) that travel at less than the speed of light never travel at the speed of light.
 
The notion that mass increases with velocity is not a consequence of Einstein's theory. The erroneous claims that attribute it to Einstein have been disappearing from textbooks for the last 25 years or so, and are now pretty much gone from view. The modern view is that mass does not increase with velocity. Note that we're not talking about a change in the physics here, just in the way we describe it.

You can look at the relativistic factor ##\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}## and use it to write expressions like ##\gamma mc^2## for the total energy or ##\gamma mv## for the momentum. What some people used to do is call ##\gamma m## the mass and say that it increases with velocity, but the better way to think about it is to consider ##m## to be the mass, which is constant, and realize that it's ##\gamma## that increases with velocity.
 
Mister T said:
The erroneous claims that attribute it to Einstein have been disappearing from textbooks...
The attribution to Einstein is not erroneous - it really did come from him (section 10 of the 1905 paper). He eventually came to recognize it as a mistake.
 
Nugatory said:
The attribution to Einstein is not erroneous - it really did come from him (section 10 of the 1905 paper). He eventually came to recognize it as a mistake.

You are correct. I should word it differently to make that clear. The concept had already been present before the 1905 paper, after 1906 Einstein stopped using it, and went on to discard it. It was a very short-lived part of his long career. It was others, not Einstein, who were for the most part responsible for its proliferation.
 

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