Particular nuclide to become half its initial value

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of half-life in radioactive decay, specifically the relationship between half-life, decay constant, and activity measurements. Participants explore the mathematical equations involved and seek clarification on experimental methods for determining half-life using a Geiger Muller Counter.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the equation relating half-life and decay constant, specifically the meaning of the symbols involved.
  • Another participant provides the equation for the number of nuclei present over time and derives the half-life equation from it.
  • Several participants inquire about how to determine half-life using an activity vs. time graph, discussing methods to select activity values and corresponding times.
  • There is a clarification that the half-life is defined as the time taken for activity to decrease to half of its initial value.
  • Participants discuss the process of measuring activity using a Geiger Muller Counter, including accounting for background radiation.
  • One participant seeks confirmation on whether activity is simply the number of counts recorded by the counter.

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Participants generally agree on the definition of half-life and the method for measuring activity, but there is some confusion regarding the specific calculations and interpretations of the data. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully clarifying the mathematical relationships and experimental procedures.

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Participants express uncertainty about the meanings of certain terms and the steps involved in calculations, indicating a need for further clarification on definitions and experimental setups.

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I know that half-life is the time taken for the activity of a particular nuclide to become half its initial value. But I do not understand the equation that I have "learned" relating to it.


T^{1/2} = \frac{0.69}{\lambda}


I am not sure what any of the letters of symbols stand for. I have looked them up, but they still don't make sense to me.

\lambda = Decay Constant
0.69 = Natural Logarithm
T^{1/2} = Half life?

Is the decay constant given? How would you go about finding the decay constant in an experiment with a Geiger Muller Counter and a radioactive source?

What does the natural Logarithm stand for or mean?

Sorry these are probably quite trivial questions, but I have looked and once I know what they are and why they are, I can work out in my mind how it works, and do soem firther work. Thanks!
 
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The number of nuclei present at time t is given by

N=N_0e^{-\lambda t}

When t=T_{\frac{1}{2}},N=\frac{N_0}{2}

Now when you sub that into the first equation and simplify you will get

T_{\frac{1}{2}}=\frac{ln2}{\lambda}

As for the experiment you could measure the count-rate(Activity) and then plot activity vs. time and then find the half-life then use the equation relating decay constant and half-life
 
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How would I find the half life, using an activity vs. time graph?
 
_Mayday_ said:
How would I find the half life, using an activity vs. time graph?

Choose some value for Activity(A), then find the time for that value of A, then find the time for A/2...then A/4 and so forth. Then find the average of those times and that is the half-life
 
Ok, I understand the first bit, about picking the activity and then seeing what time it correspnds to. But I don't uderstand the A/2 and A/4 bit? Why is it A/2? Am I still just picking any activity and seeign what it corresponds to?

And how do i calculate the activity?
 
_Mayday_ said:
But I don't uderstand the A/2 and A/4 bit? Why is it A/2? Am I still just picking any activity and seeign what it corresponds to?

No. The half-life is the time taken for the activity to fall to half of its initial value.
_Mayday_ said:
And how do i calculate the activity?

From the GM counter. Measure the background radiation first(Call this a_0). Then measure the activity from the radioactive source in some time intervals.(call this a_1). Then the activity at that time is given by A=a_1-a_0.
 
rock.freak667 said:
No. The half-life is the time taken for the activity to fall to half of its initial value.



From the GM counter. Measure the background radiation first(Call this a_0). Then measure the activity from the radioactive source in some time intervals.(call this a_1). Then the activity at that time is given by A=a_1-a_0.


Sorry about the first question, that is a common case of me not thinking :frown:


Ok using the GM counter how will i measure the activity? Is the activity simply the number of counts??
 
_Mayday_ said:
Is the activity simply the number of counts??

Yes, I believe so.
 
Thanks, I understand now!
 

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