Parton model and quark interaction in DIS.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the parton model and its implications in deep inelastic scattering (DIS), focusing on the interactions between quarks and the role of electromagnetic and QCD interactions at high energy collisions. Participants explore the theoretical framework, experimental observations, and the nature of interactions among partons within protons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the parton model, noting that protons behave as loosely bound assemblages of partons that interact electromagnetically, leading to jets of hadrons in high-energy collisions.
  • Another participant argues that the electromagnetic contribution is small compared to QCD interactions, especially at low parton momenta where gluons dominate.
  • A different viewpoint questions why, at high momentum transfers, quarks cannot transfer momentum to each other through electromagnetic interactions, given their charge.
  • Some participants clarify that while QCD coupling is significant, it is still larger than QED coupling at relevant scales, suggesting quarks are more likely to interact strongly.
  • One participant mentions that DIS calculations typically involve first-order QED interactions alongside non-perturbative QCD structure functions.
  • Another participant notes that while high momentum exchange events are recorded at the LHC, they are rare, prompting questions about the theoretical reasons for this rarity.
  • Participants discuss the rarity of high-energetic partons and the implications of the decreasing QCD coupling constant at high energies.
  • There is a contention regarding the frequency of QED processes in proton-proton and proton-electron interactions, with some asserting that QED processes are rarer in proton-proton interactions due to the overwhelming QCD background.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relative contributions of QCD and QED interactions in high-energy collisions, and there is no consensus on the mechanisms behind the rarity of certain momentum transfer processes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the interactions, particularly regarding the assumptions made in the parton model and the complexities of QCD and QED interactions at varying momentum scales.

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I'm currently reading about the parton model and deep inelastic scattering.

As I've understood it was observed that when protons collided at high energy very little transverse momentum transfer was observed, while when electrons were collided with protons transverse momentum transfer was observed in accordance with treating the proton as if it were (or consisted of) an elementary charged fermion. I.e. the electron muon scattering formula captured the qualitative behavior of the scattering.

According to the parton model (as explained in Peskin and Schroeder at page 476) this is explained by assuming that the proton is a loosely bound assemblage of partons; which are fermions carrying electric charge incapable of interchanging large momenta at high momentum transfer.
However since these partons interact electromagnetically an electron can knock out a parton of the proton and this parton then exchanges momentum 'softly' with the rest of the proton, so that the pieces of the proton materialize as jets of hadrons.

In my understanding this model has the theoretical support in QCD for which the strong coupling constant goes to zero asymptotically at large momentum transfer.
This should thus explain why the proton constituents do not interact and thus why no transverse momentum transfer is observed.

The problem I have with this picture is that these constituents are assumed to be charged; so why then do they not interact electromagnetically among themselves just as in the case with electron? Since they are charged should we not observe something like the electron muon scattering behavior also between the proton constituents? Why not?
 
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The electromagnetic contribution is small relative to the QCD interactions in proton-proton scattering. At low parton momenta, the proton is dominated by (electrically uncharged) gluons, and the QCD coupling "constant" is still significant for those collisions.
 
mfb said:
The electromagnetic contribution is small relative to the QCD interactions in proton-proton scattering. At low parton momenta, the proton is dominated by (electrically uncharged) gluons, and the QCD coupling "constant" is still significant for those collisions.

But arent these experimens are performed at high momenta? In that case the Qcd coupling is small and the Qed is large. Suppose an electron knocks a quark with a large momenum transfer at a given large momentum scale - is it then any reason why that quark can not transfer a comparable momentum to another quark inside the proton trough the electromagnetic interaction?
 
Afaik DIS is always calculated with QCD radiative corrections but first order QED.
 
"QCD is small" and "QED is large" are meant relative to their value at zero. As long as you are below the GUT scale, the QCD coupling constant is larger than the QED coupling constant. In addition, the proton has "more" color charges than electric charges.
 
mfb said:
"QCD is small" and "QED is large" are meant relative to their value at zero. As long as you are below the GUT scale, the QCD coupling constant is larger than the QED coupling constant. In addition, the proton has "more" color charges than electric charges.

So when the electron knock the quark - I assume this implies the quarks are much more likely to interact strongly among themselves than trough a QED interaction.

But if the QCD coupling is still strong relative to QED at the momentum scale in interest, why can't the QCD interaction cause a high momentum transfer trough a photon, while the QED interaction can do that?
 
DIS uses two assumptions: 1) one single perturbative QED interaction with a quark in a 2) non-perturbative QCD structure functions. All essential QCD interactions are contained in 2) whereas 1) is nothing else but the microscope to look at the state described by 2)
 
center o bass said:
So when the electron knock the quark - I assume this implies the quarks are much more likely to interact strongly among themselves than trough a QED interaction.
That is always true in a proton.

But if the QCD coupling is still strong relative to QED at the momentum scale in interest, why can't the QCD interaction cause a high momentum transfer trough a photon, while the QED interaction can do that?
It can, and the LHC recorded some nice events with large momentum exchange. But those events are rare.
 
mfb said:
That is always true in a proton.

It can, and the LHC recorded some nice events with large momentum exchange. But those events are rare.

Alright! Are there any theoretical explanations for why these large momentum exchange processes are rare?

Thanks for your help! :)
 
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The QCD coupling constant goes down :D. In addition, high-energetic partons are rare, especially if you want high-energetic partons in both protons.
 
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mfb said:
The QCD coupling constant goes down :D. In addition, high-energetic partons are rare, especially if you want high-energetic partons in both protons.

But then again, as you said yourself, the coupling is still much larger than the QED coupling and the high momentum transfer QED processes are not rare.. :P
 
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QED processes for proton-proton interactions are rare.
QED processes for proton-electron interactions are rare as well, but you don't have that huge QCD background so it is easier to see them.
 

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