Past Existence: Can Conjectures Be Tested?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of past existence and whether it holds the same "existence status" as the present. Participants explore the implications of this question in relation to experimental testing, the conceptual framework of spacetime, and the boundary between physics and philosophy.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the past exists in the same way as the present, suggesting that it may be a matter of information influencing the present rather than a tangible existence.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the block universe as a way to visualize spacetime, noting that while it is a popular interpretation, its reflection of reality is speculative and not experimentally testable.
  • A different participant expresses skepticism about the possibility of identifying the present or determining its "existential status," indicating a lack of experimental methods to address these questions.
  • One participant concludes that the question falls into the realm of philosophy rather than physics, suggesting that it cannot be tested experimentally.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the nature of the past's existence and whether it can be tested experimentally. There is no consensus on the validity of the conjectures presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of experimental methods to identify or test the existential status of the present and the potential philosophical implications of the discussion.

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Does the past exist with the same "existence status" as the present i.e. somewhere (somewhen) people are leaving on the maiden voyage of the Titanic and somewhere (somewhen) else dinosaurs are wandering a younger Earth and it is just a case of "you can't get there from here" or is all that exists a set of information from these events influencing the present? Can these two conjectures (or maybe a better one I did not mention) be tested experimentally.
 
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Nobody knows. A common way to visualise relativistic problems is something called a Minkowski diagram, which is basically a displacement-time graph. If you take that as a literal model of spacetime (extended to 3 space and 1 time dimensions, instead of 1 and 1) rather than just a visualisation then what you've got is usually called the block universe. That's more or less what I think you're referring to. It's certainly a popular interpretation of the maths, but whether it reflects reality (and whether there's a meaning to "reality" in that sense) is in the realms of speculation. It's not something we can test, nor (at this point) is it something we can propose a realistic way to test in the future.

By the way - speculation and philosophy isn't allowed in these forums. The question you asked is (I suspect) fine, being about the boundary between physics and philosophy-stroke-speculation, but be aware that drifting further into philosophical waters is likely to lead to posts getting deleted.
 
Randy Subers said:
Does the past exist with the same "existence status" as the present ... Can these two conjectures (or maybe a better one I did not mention) be tested experimentally.
I don't know of any experiment that can even identify the present let alone detect its "existential status".
 
Randy Subers said:
Can these two conjectures (or maybe a better one I did not mention) be tested experimentally.

No. That makes this question philosophy, not physics. Thread closed.
 

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