Path followed by a space station.

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The discussion revolves around a space station in a circular orbit around the Earth that fires its engine radially outward. Participants are exploring whether this action results in a different circular path or an elliptical path, focusing on the implications of angular momentum conservation and centripetal force.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to reason that the conservation of angular momentum implies the path will be elliptical. However, this reasoning is questioned by others who seek clarification on the connection between angular momentum and the resulting path.
  • Some participants provide mathematical expressions related to velocity and angular momentum, suggesting that a change in angular momentum indicates the path cannot remain circular.
  • There are requests for further reasoning and clarification regarding the relationship between centripetal force and gravitational force in the context of circular orbits.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of orbital mechanics, particularly the conditions under which circular orbits exist and how changes in motion affect orbital paths. There is an emphasis on the need for a genuine understanding of the forces at play.

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Homework Statement



Consider a space station orbiting around the Earth in a circular orbit. If it fires its engine radially outward, will it follow a different circular path or an elliptical path?


The Attempt at a Solution



Since the thrust force is perpendicular to the motion, the angular momentum is conserved. So it should follow an elliptical path.

Is this reasoning correct?
 
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Your answer is correct, but your reasoning is confusing. Why does the fact that angular momentum is conserved mean that it should follow an elliptical path?
 
V = √(GM/R)
L1 = m√(GMR)

V' = √(GM/R')
L2= m√(GMR')

where,
m - Mass of space station
V - Initial orbital velocity
V' - Final orbital velocity

L1 ≠ L2

So the path cannot be a circle. The other choice is only ellipse (as per the question) :biggrin:
I am interested in knowing the geniune reason though.
 
Can anybody else provide me a reason?
 
Hint: The centripetal force always is: [tex]F = mv^2/\rho[/tex] where [tex]\rho[/tex] is the radius of curvature. If [tex]\rho = R[/tex] where [tex]R[/tex] is the distance between the station and the earth, then the orbit is circular around the earth.

You may want to prove this statement: for a fixed pair of planet M and mass m<<M orbitting around M, for each value of angular momentum L of m, there is one and only one circular orbit corresponding to L.

P.S.: If you want a genuine reason, look at the centripetal force. It's actually gravitational force. When does the gravitational force match *perfectly* with the centripetal force in the case of circular orbit?
 
hikaru1221 said:
You may want to prove this statement: for a fixed pair of planet M and mass m<<M orbitting around M, for each value of angular momentum L of m, there is one and only one circular orbit corresponding to L.

L=mvr=m√(GM/r)r=m√(GMr)
For every 'L' there is one and only one 'r'

hikaru1221 said:
When does the gravitational force match *perfectly* with the centripetal force in the case of circular orbit?

When they both are equal?
 

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