Path integral formulation of wave-optics

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The discussion revolves around the path integral formulation of wave optics, exploring the relationship between ray optics and wave optics through a proposed optical action. Participants examine the mathematical expressions and concepts involved in this formulation, including the Eikonal equation and the implications for photon behavior.

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  • One participant proposes that ray optics can be viewed as the limit of wave optics using a path integral approach, suggesting a specific form for the optical action.
  • Another participant agrees with the general idea but suggests that the action should derive from the Eikonal equation, indicating a different perspective on the formulation.
  • A third participant comments on the relationship between their proposed action and the action presented by the first participant, questioning the inclusion of \hbar in the context of the optical action.
  • One participant asserts that the Eikonal equation should naturally follow from the proposed optical action and expresses interest in deriving the wave equation from the path integral approach.

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Participants express differing views on the derivation and formulation of the optical action and its connection to established equations like the Eikonal equation. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proposed formulations or the relationships between the various concepts discussed.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the definitions of the optical action and its implications for wave optics and ray optics.

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A few years back,I stumbled upon a nice idea which I am reporting below:-

Just as classical mechanics is the [tex]h \rightarrow 0[/tex] limit of quantum mechanics(rather action >> [tex]\hbar[/tex],from path integral formulation),so should it be possible to argue from a path integral approach, that ray optics is the [tex]\lambda\rightarrow 0[/tex] limit of wave optics.What would such a path integral be?Here we go:-

The optical action may be written as
[tex] S=\int \frac{ds}{v(x,y,z)}=\int dt,[/tex]
where the symbols are self-explanatory.So the prob. amplitude for light/sound(or photon/..) to go from point A to point B may be written as
[tex] \begin{equation}<br /> P=\sum_{all paths}\exp{\iota S/T_0},<br /> \end{equation}[/tex]
where [tex]T_0[/tex] is the time period.

As long as [tex]S=\int dt[/tex] is not very large compared to [tex]T_0[/tex],all conceivable ray paths between any two fixed points are possible,so that there is an uncertainty in the ray path taken by light/sound in going from one point to the other.

Specially interesting is the case of a photon.For a photon
[tex] \begin{equation}<br /> \frac{1}{T_0}=\nu=\frac{E}{h}.<br /> \end{equation}[/tex]
Hence for a photon,prob. amplitude to go from one point to the other is given as
[tex] \begin{equation}<br /> P=\sum_{all paths}\exp{\iota ES/h},<br /> \end{equation}[/tex]
i.e.
[tex] \begin{equation}<br /> P=\sum_{all paths}\exp{\frac{\iota E\int dt}{h}}<br /> \end{equation}[/tex]

P.S. I am not able to see the latex graphics that I've generated in my browser--hope others are able to view it!
 
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i think it should be correct..but the action would come from the Eikonal equation:

[tex](\nabla{S})^{2}=n^{2}[/tex] where n is the refraction index as a function of x,y,z,t...then the path integral for optics would be:

[tex]\int{D[r,t]e^{iS(r,t)/\hbar}[/tex]
 
The beauty about the form that I suggest is that for a photon using E=h\nu,we arrive naturally at the particle action(starting with the optical lagrangian/action).
My quick impression is that your S(phase I believe) is nothing but my S(modulo T_0)/T_0*2\pi---don't know where you get the \hbar from.
 
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Eikonal equation should follow easily from my optical action S .[tex]\delta S=0[/tex] i.e. Fermat's principle should easily lead to the eikonal equation.
The nice thing would be to show that the wave equation follows from this sum over paths approach.
 

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