Penetration depth of a ion beam coupled with an EM wave

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The discussion revolves around the penetration depth of ion beams, specifically argon ions, when coupled with electromagnetic (EM) waves, particularly at microwave frequencies. Participants explore the relationship between the frequency of the EM wave and the penetration depth of the ions in various materials, considering both theoretical and experimental aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the concept of ion beams and their potential applications, questioning how the penetration depth of ions might be influenced by the frequency of the coupled EM wave.
  • Another participant asserts that the primary energy loss mechanism for charged particles in matter is ionization, suggesting that microwaves would have minimal impact on energy loss unless they could ionize the material themselves.
  • A follow-up post reiterates the energy loss mechanism and seeks clarification on the relationship between energy loss and penetration depth, asking for relevant formulas or references.
  • A later reply suggests the Bethe-Bloch formula as a starting point for understanding energy loss in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of microwaves on the energy loss of charged particles, with some suggesting minimal impact while others explore the potential relationship between EM wave frequency and penetration depth. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects of the EM wave on ion penetration.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference energy loss tables and the Bethe-Bloch formula, indicating that there may be limitations in the assumptions made about the influence of microwaves on ion penetration depth and energy loss mechanisms.

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How does the penetration depth of a ion beam coupled with a EM microwave depend upon the frequency of the wave?
A Ion source is a device that allows creating ion beams (e.g. argon ions) and to project them outside the device, for example to be further processed by a particle accelerator, or to irradiate materials or biological tissues etc.
Now, suppose the ion beam is coupled with an EM wave, especially of microwave frequency, and irradiates a given material.
Said very simplistically, the ions will oscillate at the frequency of the wave as they penetrate the irradiated material.
Then it is natural to suspect that the penetration depth of the ions depends not only upon their velocity, but also upon the frequency of the carrying wave.
Is there something known about that? what work has been done in this domain? any reference?
 
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The main energy loss mechanism for charged particles in matter is ionization of the matter. There are energy loss tables I used in the distant pass to compute charge particle energy loss in things like thin metal films etc. That said, I'd expect near to no influence on particle energy loss by any microwaves unless the microwaves themselves could ionize the mater. That's a lot of microwaves.
 
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Paul Colby said:
The main energy loss mechanism for charged particles in matter is ionization of the matter. There are energy loss tables I used in the distant pass to compute charge particle energy loss in things like thin metal films etc. That said, I'd expect near to no influence on particle energy loss by any microwaves unless the microwaves themselves could ionize the mater. That's a lot of microwaves.
Thx for answering me. How is the energy loss related to the penetration depth (a formula? or a name for a formula in order I can google it?).
 
Bethe-Bloch, should give you a good start
 
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