Penrose Diagram for Schwarzschild

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The discussion focuses on constructing Penrose diagrams for Schwarzschild space-time using advanced and retarded Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates. The Schwarzschild metric is expressed in standard coordinates as ds² = - (1 - 2M/r) dt² + (1 - 2M/r)⁻¹ dr² + r² dΩ². The user seeks a method to conformally compactify the metric in (u, r, θ, φ) or (v, r, θ, φ) coordinates to facilitate the drawing of a Penrose diagram, acknowledging that while Kruskal-Szekeres coordinates can achieve this, they prefer a solution within the Eddington-Finkelstein framework. References to external resources for further understanding are provided.

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  • Understanding of Schwarzschild metric and its implications in general relativity.
  • Familiarity with Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates and their transformations.
  • Knowledge of Penrose diagrams and their significance in visualizing spacetime.
  • Basic grasp of coordinate transformations in differential geometry.
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  • Research the process of conformal compactification in general relativity.
  • Study the derivation and application of Kruskal-Szekeres coordinates.
  • Explore the mathematical foundations of Penrose diagrams for various metrics.
  • Investigate the implications of light cones in different coordinate systems.
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Students and researchers in theoretical physics, particularly those specializing in general relativity and black hole physics, will benefit from this discussion. It is also relevant for mathematicians interested in differential geometry and spacetime visualization techniques.

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Hi. I've got a quick question on Penrose diagrams for the Schwarzschild space-time that I'd appreciate some comments on. In standard (t,r,\theta,\phi) coordinates the Schwarzschild metric is

ds^2 = -\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)dt^2 + \left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)^{-1}dr^2 + r^2 d\Omega^2.

The immediate difficulty with this is that if one looks at radial null curves one finds that the light cones appear to close up as r\to 2M. The standard way of getting around this is to define a tortoise radial coordinate according to

r^* \equiv r + 2M\log|r-2M|.

Then the metric in (t,r^*,\theta,\phi) coordinates becomes simply

ds^2 = \left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)(-dt^2 + dr^{*2}) + r^2 d\Omega^2.

The thing about this radial coordinate is that the light cones don't close up anywhere. The downside, however, is that the surface r=2M has now been pushed to r^*\to-\infty. So, we introduce advanced and retarded Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates by defining

v \equiv t + r^*,
u \equiv t - r^*.

Then, for example, the metric in (u,r,\theta,\phi) coordinates becomes

ds^2 = -\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)du^2 - 2dudr + r^2d\Omega^2.

(I think this is correct.) Now to my question. Is there any way that I can conformally compactify this metric so that I can draw a Penrose diagram of it? I know that I can go to Kruskal-Szekeres coordinates and construct a Penrose diagram there, but surely it's possible to construct Penrose diagrams using just (u,r,\theta,\phi) or (v,r,\theta,\phi) coordinates. My problem is that I can't readily see what coordinate transformations I should take so as to get to a finite coordinate range from the infinite ranges of u,v,r. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
 
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pervect said:
You don't need that much detail for a penrose diagram.

You do if you want to do it correctly. I'm not talking about simply drawing the bare Penrose diagram. What I'm after is a coordinate transformation which will compactify the spacetime so that it can be drawn as a Penrose diagram. I'm *not* looking to draw the entire Penrose diagram for the Kruskal extension that you quoted in the first link. What I want to be able to do is to draw a Penrose diagram that arises from using advanced *or* retarded Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates. This would correspond to the right-hand region in the Penrose diagram for the Kruskal extension, but there would be only one singularity (the singularity is on the bottom for the retarded coordinate and on the top for the advanced coordinate).
 
While I've never gone through it in the level of detail you want to, the second reference I quoted appears to do the job, i.e.

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schwp.html#penrose

has the equations that transform Kruskal-Szekeres into a penrose diagram, also it also has a GIF graphic that shows one morphing into the other.
 

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