Perfectly elastic collision problem with no given values

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The problem involves a perfectly elastic collision between two curling stones of identical mass, where one stone is initially moving and the other is stationary. The original poster attempts to calculate the final speeds of both stones but encounters an error in their algebraic manipulation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum and energy to derive the final velocities. There are questions about the algebraic steps taken by the original poster, with suggestions to clarify the equations used.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the approach to solving the problem, emphasizing the importance of typing out equations for clarity. There is a recognition of the potential to simplify the problem using mass-independent relationships for elastic collisions, but no consensus has been reached on the specific errors made by the original poster.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of adhering to posting rules regarding equation presentation, which may impact the clarity of the discussion. The original poster's reliance on a picture for equations is questioned, suggesting a need for clearer communication in the forum.

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Homework Statement


A curling stone with initial speed vi1 collides head-on with a second, stationary stone of identical mass, m. Calculate the final speeds of the two curling stones.

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


I solved for vf1 as shown, but my answer was wrong. I got vi1-vf2=vf1, but the correct answer is vf1=0. What did I do wrong?
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Please type your equations here, as the rules require, rather than uploading a picture. I have a very difficult time seeing anything you wrote in step 3, which is where you went wrong. It looks like you butchered your algebra, but I can hardly read it.

However, in general, to approach this problem, use the conservation of energy and the conservation of momentum. You'll then have a system of two equations and can solve for the velocities.
 
I second @RedDelicious ' remarks about postings, and note that BvU has said the same in another of your threads. Please bear in mind that although typing costs you a bit of time it will save time for the many people who read it.

For perfectly elastic collisions, it can save a lot of working to use a simple mass-independent result relating initial and final velocities. This relationship can be derived from the two conservation laws, but using it avoids the quadratics that come from conservation of energy.
Look up coefficient of restitution, and consider the case where it is 1.
 
haruspex said:
I second @RedDelicious ' remarks about postings, and note that BvU has said the same in another of your threads. Please bear in mind that although typing costs you a bit of time it will save time for the many people who read it.

For perfectly elastic collisions, it can save a lot of working to use a simple mass-independent result relating initial and final velocities. This relationship can be derived from the two conservation laws, but using it avoids the quadratics that come from conservation of energy.
Look up coefficient of restitution, and consider the case where it is 1.
I just thought it would make more sense if I showed a picture of exactly what I did
 

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