Period of added/multiplied sines/cosines

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the rules for determining the period of sine and cosine functions when they are added or multiplied, particularly in the context of Fourier transforms. Participants explore the mathematical principles involved without delving into complex calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the period of two sine or cosine functions when added, suggesting that their common period is the lowest common multiple of their individual periods.
  • For the example of y=cos(2.pi.2x) + cos(2.pi.3x), the participant proposes that the fundamental period is 1/6.
  • The same participant seeks clarification on the period when two sine or cosine functions are multiplied, providing the example y=cos(2.pi.2x).cos(2.pi.3x).
  • Another participant suggests using product-to-sum formulas to simplify the multiplication case, linking to external resources for further exploration.
  • A different participant recommends using complex exponentials instead of sines and cosines, arguing that this approach simplifies the mathematics involved in Fourier transforms.
  • This participant explains that the multiplication of complex exponentials follows a straightforward rule, while the addition retains the same periodicity principles as sine and cosine functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the rules for periods when multiplying sine and cosine functions. Some participants support the use of complex exponentials, while others focus on traditional sine and cosine methods.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of periods and the applicability of different mathematical approaches. The discussion does not clarify the implications of using complex exponentials versus traditional trigonometric functions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in Fourier transforms, trigonometric functions, and those looking to refresh their understanding of periodicity in wave functions.

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Dear all

I am looking to write my own computer program for a Fourier transform. However my maths is very rusty and I will need to recap some things.

I am struggling a little bit to recall the rules for the period of sines (or cosines) when they are MULTIPLIED. I haven't had much luck Googling this.

Am I right in thinking that for two waves ADDED their common period is their two periods multiplied (the lowest common multiple) ?

e.g.

y=cos(2.pi.2x) + cos(2.pi.3x) Fundamental period = 1/2 x 1/3 = 1/6?

But what if the two sines (or cosines) are multiplied?

e.g.

y=cos(2.pi.2x).cos(2.pi.3x)

Can anybody explain the rules for the addition and multiplication cases, without going into heavy maths?

Thank you

Matt
 
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Hi mklein! :smile:


mklein said:
Dear all

I am looking to write my own computer program for a Fourier transform. However my maths is very rusty and I will need to recap some things.

I am struggling a little bit to recall the rules for the period of sines (or cosines) when they are MULTIPLIED. I haven't had much luck Googling this.

Am I right in thinking that for two waves ADDED their common period is their two periods multiplied (the lowest common multiple) ?

e.g.

y=cos(2.pi.2x) + cos(2.pi.3x) Fundamental period = 1/2 x 1/3 = 1/6?

But what if the two sines (or cosines) are multiplied?

e.g.

y=cos(2.pi.2x).cos(2.pi.3x)

Can anybody explain the rules for the addition and multiplication cases, without going into heavy maths?

Thank you

Matt

You can always apply the product-to-sum formula's http://www.sosmath.com/trig/prodform/prodform.html This reduces the case of products to the case of sums!
 
The easy way to deal with this is not to use sines and cosines, but instead to use complex exponentials. I don't know if that comes under the category of heavy maths in your book, but regardless I would really recommend it as worth your time to learn. It'll make the subsequent math much simpler.

Using complex exponentials, the elements of the Fourier transform are not sines and cosines, but exponential functions of the form e^{i \omega x}; with i=\sqrt{-1}. These are easy to multiply: e^{i \omega x}e^{i \phi x}=e^{i \left(\omega + \phi \right)x}.

For addition, the rule for exponentials is the same as for sines as cosines. e^{2 \pi i m x}+e^{2 \pi i n x} has period 1/GCM(n,m), GCM being the greatest common multiple. In your example, the period of e^{2 \pi i 2 x}+e^{2 \pi i 3 x} would be 1.
 
Dear pmsrw3 and micromass

These are two very good suggestions, and I shall look into them, thank you. I can just about handle this level of maths!

Thanks

Matt
 

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