Periodicity of Fourier's heat theory

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The discussion revolves around Fourier's heat theory, specifically the use of periodic functions in heat transfer analysis and the implications of using sine and cosine functions in this context. Participants explore the mathematical foundations of Fourier's approach, including the separation of variables in the heat equation and the nature of solutions in finite versus infinite intervals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on Fourier's concept of heat transfer as a periodic phenomenon.
  • Another participant asserts that heat is not a periodic phenomenon and suggests a misunderstanding between Fourier series and finite sums of periodic functions.
  • A question is raised about the use of sine and cosine functions in heat analysis, with a suggestion that orthogonal reasons may apply.
  • A later reply explains that sine and cosine are solutions to the equations arising from separation of variables in the heat equation, linking them to spatial variation.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the wave equation and the process of separation of variables, detailing how this leads to the identification of sine and cosine solutions for spatial dependence.
  • Participants discuss the implications of different values of the constant λ in relation to periodicity and boundary conditions, noting that negative λ leads to periodic solutions while positive λ does not.
  • It is mentioned that for heat problems on finite intervals, sine and cosine solutions are necessary, while for infinite intervals, Fourier transforms are used, which are not periodic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characterization of heat transfer as a periodic phenomenon, with some asserting it is not periodic while others explore the mathematical reasoning behind the use of periodic functions in Fourier's analysis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of Fourier's ideas.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the definitions of periodicity and the conditions under which Fourier's methods apply, particularly in distinguishing between finite and infinite intervals in heat transfer problems.

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Can I please get some help in understanding how Fourier developed his idea of heat transfer being a periodic phenomena?
 
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I don't know what you mean by that. Heat is NOT a "periodic phenomenon" and Fourier never said it was. You may be mistaking Fourier series (infinite sums of sine and cosine) with finite sums. Finite sums of periodic functions are periodic. Infinite sums are not.
 
So why did he use sine and cosine functions for heat analysis? Orthogonal reasons?
 
jaredokie said:
So why did he use sine and cosine functions for heat analysis? Orthogonal reasons?

Because sine and cosine are the solutions of the equations for the spatial variation which arise from separation of variables in the heat equation.
 
Ok. I'm sorry for being dense, but what do you mean by spatial variation?
 
The wave equation is
\frac{\partial^2 \phi}{\partial x^2}= \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial^2\phi}{\partial t^2}

If you use "separation of variables" you would look for solutions of the form \phi(x, t)= X(x)T(t) (separating x and t into separate functions) so that the equation becomes
T\frac{d^2X}{dx^2}= \frac{1}{c^2}X\frac{d^2T}{dt^2}

Divide both sides by XT to get
\frac{1}{X}\frac{d^2X}{dx^2}= \frac{1}{c^2T}\frac{d^2T}{dt^2}

Now the left side is a function of x only and the right side is a function of t only. In order to be the same for all x and t, each side must be equal to a constant:
\frac{1}{X}\frac{d^2X}{dx^2}= \lambda
\frac{d^2X}{dx^2}= \lambda X
This is what pasmith is referring to as the "spatial variation".

IF we are given the heat problem on a finite interval, say T(0)= T(P)= 0, then we can show that the "spatial dependence", the function X(x), must have sine and cosine solutions.

If, for example, \lambda= 0 this becomes just d^2X/dx^2= 0 so the general solution is y= Ax+ B which is NOT periodic and so cannot satisfy the boundary conditions.
If, for example, \lambda> 0 the general solution is y= Ae^{x\sqrt{\lambda}}+ Be^{x\sqrt{\lambda}}.

So \lambda must be negative. If we write \lambda= -\alpha^2, the equation becomes d^2X/dx^2= -\alpha^2 X, which has general solution Acos(\alpha x)+ B sin(\alpha x). That's where the

\frac{1}{c^2T}\frac{d^2T}{dt^2}= \lambda
\frac{d^2T}{dt^2}= \lambda c^2T

Again, that is for the heat problem on a finite interval. If we had and infinite interval, say the heat equation on x\in [0, \infty), the solutions are Fourier Transforms, not Fourier series, and are NOT periodic at all.
 

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