Permanent Dipole - Permanent Dipole Interaction Derivation

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The discussion focuses on deriving the dipole-dipole interaction formula, specifically U=(-p1p2/4πϵ_0) (1/z^3) ((2cosθ_1cosθ_2)− (sinθ_1sinθ_2cosζ)). The user is utilizing the equation U = -p2 * E_1, where E_1 is the electric field generated by dipole p1, expressed in spherical coordinates as E_1= (1/4πϵ_0)(1/r^3) (2cosθ r + sinθ θ). Key challenges include formulating dipole p2 in spherical coordinates and performing the dot product of vectors in spherical coordinates.

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RickD

Homework Statement


I am trying to derive the dipole-dipole interaction derivation, which is:

U=(-p1p2/4πϵ_0) (1/z^3) ((2cosθ_1cosθ_2)− (sinθ_1sinθ_2cosζ))

Where p1 and p21 are the two dipole moments, r is the distance between two dipoles on the y axis, θ_1 and θ_2 are the angles between the z axis and dipoles, and ζ is the dihedral angle

I am using U = -p2 * E_1 to derive the equation, where E_1 is the electric field of p1 and * is the dot product

So far, I have deduced E-1 in spherical coordinates as:
E_1= (1/4πϵ_0)(1/r^3) (2cosθ r + sinθ θ)
Where the bolded r and θ are the unit vectors in spherical coordinates.

Now from this, I have problems:
  1. How do I formulate p2 in spherical coordinates
  2. How do I dot product two vectors of spherical coordinates

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to convert E_1 into Cartesian, but it won't solve it if I don't know how to formulate p2
 
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RickD said:

Homework Statement


I am trying to derive the dipole-dipole interaction derivation, which is:

U=(-p1p2/4πϵ_0) (1/z^3) ((2cosθ_1cosθ_2)− (sinθ_1sinθ_2cosζ))

Where p1 and p21 are the two dipole moments, r is the distance between two dipoles on the y axis, θ_1 and θ_2 are the angles between the z axis and dipoles, and ζ is the dihedral angle.
Did you mean to say that θ1 and θ2 are angles measured relative to the y axis?

You can rotate your xyz axes about the y-axis so that p1 lies in the yz plane.
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So far, I have deduced E-1 in spherical coordinates as:
E_1= (1/4πϵ_0)(1/r^3) (2cosθ r + sinθ θ)
Where the bolded r and θ are the unit vectors in spherical coordinates.
Can you draw the vectors r and θ at the location of p2 in the above diagram?

Then try to find expressions for the r and θ components of p2.
 

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