Dipole-Induced Dipole Interaction

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The discussion revolves around the interaction between a permanent dipole and a polarizable atom, specifically focusing on the induced dipole moment of the atom in relation to the permanent dipole's electric field. The problem involves understanding the electric field generated by a dipole and how it influences the induced dipole moment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the permanent dipole and the induced dipole, questioning the method of superimposing electric fields and the assumptions involved. There is a focus on deriving the electric field from the dipole potential and understanding its implications for the induced dipole moment.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on deriving the electric field from the dipole potential, suggesting that taking the negative gradient can simplify the process. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, with discussions on approximations and the relevance of Taylor expansions for specific cases.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that this is not a graded assignment but rather a task related to research under an AMO professor, indicating a focus on understanding rather than assessment.

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Homework Statement


Given a permanent dipole, call it pNO, at the origin pointing along r1 (general vector, not along any particular axis). A polarizable atom as at position r2. What is the induced dipole moment, call it pHe, of this atom in terms of pNO and r2?


Homework Equations


pNO=a1Epar+a2Eperp
a1 is the coefficient of polarizability in the direction parallel to the electric field, a2 is the perpendicular one.
The second part of this expression should be zero, as the induced dipole should point in the direction of the electric field.

The Attempt at a Solution


I know/understand that whatever this induced dipole is, it will point in the direction of the electric field due to the permanent dipole. Really, it's not the answer I'm after- rather, I need help with the method. Would I just say that for the permanent dipole, there is essentially a negative charge at the origin and a positive charge at p1 and superimpose the electric fields? It seems like this should work, but it's messy/tedious/not giving me the right answer, so I am probably making a wrong assumption with this method.
I suppose the real problem I have is not solving for the dipole, but rather the electric field due to a general permanent dipole. I would vastly prefer a point in the direction of deriving it rather than someone just giving a formula.
 
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Addendum- If I can just find the electric field, it would be simple to solve for the projection of it along r2.
 
Do you know what the dipole potential looks like? If so, take its negative gradient and you have the dipole electric field.
 
Also, if this affects anybody's willingness to help, this is not a graded homework assignment. It's an assignment in that I am working under an AMO professor, and this is one of the many calculations he wants me to do- not that this is going to help him in any way, but I need to have the ability/understanding of this to understand one of the terms we will be adding to our Hamiltonian.
 
kuruman said:
Do you know what the dipole potential looks like? If so, take its negative gradient and you have the dipole electric field.

That... was a lot easier than I was making it out to be. Kudos to you, sir. Shame on me.
 
Out of curiosity, should the more complicated still yield the correct answer?
 
It should, but at some point you will have to do a Taylor expansion for d <<r where d is the separation between the positive and negative charges and keep the leading term. Finding the approximate field along the direction of the dipole (the easiest case) is a standard problem in introductory physics.
 

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