Permutations and Combinations: Distributing Balls Among People

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the number of ways to distribute 5 differently colored balls among 3 people, ensuring that each person receives at least one ball. The original poster presents a calculation that results in 540 ways but expresses confusion about the correctness of their approach.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the distribution by considering different scenarios for how the balls can be allocated, including cases where one person receives multiple balls. Some participants question the counting method used, particularly regarding the treatment of the order in which people receive the balls.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the original poster's calculations and assumptions. Some have pointed out potential misinterpretations in counting distinct distributions, while others suggest alternative approaches to conceptualize the problem. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the discussion is focused on clarifying the counting methods involved.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on ensuring that each person receives at least one ball, which adds complexity to the distribution scenarios being considered. Participants are also addressing the implications of treating the order of recipients as significant in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


The total number of ways in which 5 balls of different colors can be distributed among 3 persons so that each person gets at least one ball is
Ans: 150

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I don't understand what's wrong with my answer.
In case of each person getting one ball and the remaining two balls going to a single person, I have 5*4*3*3 ways. 5*4*3 for the first three balls and then the remaining two balls have three options, therefore the final *3

In case of the remaining two balls going to different people, I have 5*4*3*6 ways to do so, the final*6 because I have 3 spots and I have two pick two balls, and order matters as the balls are different.

Adding 5*4*3*3 + 5*4*3*6, I get 540.

What am I doing wrong?
 
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50 is wrong, but 540 is not right either. You also count the order the persons get the balls as different. If the colors are ABCDE and the persons are 1, 2, 3, you count "A to 1, B to 2, C to 3 and then D and E to 1" as different from "D to 1, B to 2, C to 3 and then A and E to 1".

Better start picking the person to get 3 balls, and then look at the other two persons. The other part has the same issue.
 
Another way to look the 1-1-3 distribution is is to count the number of ways you can give two of the three people one ball each. The third person ends up with the rest.
 
mfb said:
You also count the order the persons get the balls as different.
erisedk, just in case that's not clear, mfb is saying you mistakenly counted those orders as different, not that you should count them as different.
 
Oh, ok.
I get it now.
Thanks :)
 

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