Permutations Find the values ex. P(n,2)=90

  • Thread starter Thread starter ClosedCastle
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Permutations
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the value of n in permutation equations, specifically P(n,2)=90 and P(n,3)=3P(n,2). Participants are exploring the relationships between permutations and factorials in the context of these equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to manipulate the permutation formulas and factorial expressions to isolate n. There are discussions about the simplification of factorials and the implications of the equations presented.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in understanding the relationships between the equations, while others are still clarifying their interpretations and the correct application of factorials. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express and manipulate the equations correctly.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can receive. There is also a mention of formatting issues related to LaTeX usage, indicating a potential barrier in expressing mathematical ideas clearly.

ClosedCastle
Messages
5
Reaction score
0
How can I solve this?

Find the value of n.1. P(n,2)=90 ; 2. P(n,3)=3P(n,2)
I tried like this but I am stuck

1. n! / (n-2)! = 90 and then I don't know ...

2. n!/(n-3!) = 3 n!/(n-2)! ⇔ n! (n-2)! / (n-3)! n! = 3 ⇔ (n-2)! / (n-3)! = 3 here the same As you can see I'm really stuck with this.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You do understand that n!= n(n-1)(n-2)...(3)(2)(1), right?
So (n-2)!= (n-2)...(3)(2)(1).
[tex]\frac{n!}{(n-2)!}= \frac{n(n-1)(n-2)...(3)(2)(1)}{(n-2)...(3)(2)(1)}= 90[/tex]

[tex]\frac{(n-2)!}{(n-3)!}= \frac{(n-2)(n-3)...(3)(2)(1)}{(n-3)... (3)(2)(1)}= 3[/tex]

Cancel!
 
Ok thanks, I think I understand what you mean,

So 1) n(n-1)=90 then n=10
2) n-2 = 3 then n=5

but if I trie to solve this one it doesn't at up:

3) 2P(n,2)+50=P(2n,2)

2((n!/(n-2))!+50)=2n!/(2n-2)!

Is this correct?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
ClosedCastle said:
Ok thanks, I think I understand what you mean,

So 1) n(n-1)=90 then n=10
2) n-2 = 3 then n=5

but if I trie to solve this one it doesn't at up:

3) 2P(n,2)+50=P(2n,2)

2((n!/(n-2))!+50)=2n!/(2n-2)!

Is this correct?
Not the way you have written it because you have the parentheses wrong. The last "!" should not be the whole "n!/(n-2)" and 2 does not multiply 50. On the right, it is clearer if you write (2n)! rather than 2n! which can be interpreted as 2(n!). What you should have is
2(n!/(n-2)!+ 50= (2n!)/(2n-2)! or
[tex]2\frac{n!}{(n-2)!}+ 50= \frac{(2n)!}{(2n-2)!}[/tex]

Now write those factorials out in detail and cancel.
 
I trie with Latex:

[itex]2\frac{n!}{(n-2)! + 50 = \frac{2n!}{(2n-2)!}[itex\][/itex]
 
ok, that didn't go the way I expected,hehe

thank you HallsofIvy, now I have to learn how to use LaTeX..
 
What do you mean by "and then cancel"?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K