Peskin Schroeder Enigmatic Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equation for vacuum energy density presented in the Peskin/Schroeder textbook on quantum field theory (QFT). Participants express confusion regarding the equation's implications, its finiteness, and the nature of the diagrams involved, specifically whether they should be connected or disconnected. The scope includes theoretical interpretations and conceptual clarifications related to QFT.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants find the equation for vacuum energy density strange and seek clarification on its finiteness and calculability.
  • One participant recognizes the term involving the delta function as common in quantum field amplitude equations, suggesting a connection to vacuum energy measurements.
  • Another participant questions the use of disconnected diagrams, proposing that connected diagrams might make more sense in this context.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the role of the imaginary unit 'i' in the equation, noting its frequent confusion.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of vacuum bubbles and their representation of vacuum energy, with references to the normalization involving the delta function.
  • One participant raises a question about the appropriateness of including unconnected diagrams in the calculation of vacuum energy density.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the physical meaning of vacuum energy density and whether it is an arbitrary constant that is unmeasurable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the equation is finite or calculable, nor on the appropriateness of using connected versus disconnected diagrams. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific equations and concepts from the Peskin/Schroeder text, indicating that their understanding is dependent on these definitions and interpretations. There are unresolved questions about the implications of the imaginary unit and the treatment of different types of diagrams in the context of vacuum energy density.

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Hi,

I am learning QFT in the Peskin/Schroeder book and I found 4.56 on page 98 really weird, it is:
\rho_{vaccum\: energy\: density} = \frac{i\sum_{all\: disconnected\: diagramms}amplitude}{(2\pi)^4\delta^{(4)}(0)}

The authors do not comment really this result, but could someone tell me at least if this is finite, calculable, ...Thank you.
 
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IRobot said:
Hi,

I am learning QFT in the Peskin/Schroeder book and I found 4.56 on page 98 really weird, it is:
\rho_{vaccum\: energy\: density} = \frac{i\sum_{all\: disconnected\: diagramms}amplitude}{(2\pi)^4\delta^{(4)}(0)}

The authors do not comment really this result, but could someone tell me at least if this is finite, calculable, ...


Thank you.

I recognize the 2\pi^4\delta^{4}(0)} term. This term comes from a quantum field amplitude equation, usually seen in this form : 2\pi^4\delta^{4}(p-p)}. It's maybe not surprising as the energy density of the vacuum is also measured similarly.
 
He is equating the exponents on 4.55, and using what he discusses in 4.49
 
IRobot said:
Hi,

I am learning QFT in the Peskin/Schroeder book and I found 4.56 on page 98 really weird, it is:
\rho_{vaccum\: energy\: density} = \frac{i\sum_{all\: disconnected\: diagramms}amplitude}{(2\pi)^4\delta^{(4)}(0)}

The authors do not comment really this result, but could someone tell me at least if this is finite, calculable, ...


Thank you.

I'm not sure I understand the result either. To me it would make more sense if all the diagrams are connected. Also I'm a bit unsure about factors of the imaginary number 'i', but those always get me.

Basically the path integral is e-iHt, and the amplitude is exp[i*connected diagrams without sources], so setting the argument of the exponentials equal and setting VT=(2pi)4 delta4(0) should give a result that look similar, except with connected diagrams and not disconnected ones.
 
byzheng said:
He is equating the exponents on 4.55, and using what he discusses in 4.49

Does he use connected diagrams or disconnected ones? I don't have a copy of Peskin and Schroeder and my library doesn't have it so I can't look it up.
 
Actually your plain old e(-iS) gives only diagrams without endpoints; i.e. if you were to associate particles with these diagrams, you would see nothing turning into something back into nothing. These are typically called vacuum bubbles, and their sum represents the vacuum(or ground state) energy E0(peskin uses 'disconnected diagrams' in place of vacuum bubbles). He is dividing by the delta function because from his delta function normalization(discussed in 4.49) the delta(0) factor represents the volume of space(up to 2 pis).
 
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byzheng said:
Actually your plain old e(-iS) gives only diagrams without endpoints; i.e. if you were to associate particles with these diagrams, you would see nothing turning into something back into nothing. These are typically called vacuum bubbles, and their sum represents the vacuum(or ground state) energy E0(peskin uses 'disconnected diagrams' in place of vacuum bubbles). He is dividing by the delta function because from his delta function normalization(discussed in 4.49) the delta(0) factor represents the volume of space(up to 2 pis).

Does Peskin use e(-iS), or e(iS)?

I think I see what you mean. In the path integral you usually have:

e^{-iS+\int J\phi d^4x}

So now you are setting J=0.

Still, you can have J=0 diagrams that are the product of other J=0 diagrams. For example, you can have two bubbles side by side, unconnected to each other. I don't think you should count those diagrams in the formula for the vacuum energy density, but I'm not sure.

Also, what is the meaning of the vacuum energy density? Isn't an additive constant to the energy not only arbitrary, but also unmeasurable?
 

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