Heisenberg equations of Klein-Gordon Field in Space-Time

In summary, the conversation focuses on equations in section 2.4 of the book "An Introduction to Quantum Field Theory" by Peskin and Schroeder. The equations involve the Heisenberg equations of the fields ##\phi## and ##\pi## and the Hamiltonian for the Klein-Gordon field in space-time. The first equation is derived using integration by parts, while the second equation is derived using the commutation relations between the canonical field momenta and the field. The conversation also mentions difficulties with understanding covariant and contravariant tensors and asks for recommendations for additional reading material.
  • #36
samalkhaiat said:
3) A distribution (or generalized function) [itex]f[/itex] is a continuous functional on [itex]\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex]. That is, if [itex]\varphi_{k} \to \varphi[/itex] as [itex]k \to \infty[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex], then [itex](f , \varphi_{k}) \to (f , \varphi )[/itex] as [itex]k \to \infty[/itex].

In short, distribution is a continuous linear functional on the spaces of “nice” functions.
And what does [itex]\varphi_{k} \to \varphi[/itex] as [itex]k \to \infty[/itex] mean?
 
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  • #37
Honestly I still do not completely get it either 😬
 
  • #38
JD_PM said:
Honestly I still do not completely get it either 😬
My point was, if you have not even seen the definition how do you expect to understand or prove the continuity!?
 
  • #39
JD_PM said:
##\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^{n})## is the vector space of operators ##\varphi: \Bbb R^n \rightarrow \Bbb R^n## having the following two properties: 1) ##\varphi## is smooth and 2) ##\varphi## has compact support.
[itex]\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex] is the space of all infinitely differentiable functions [itex]\varphi : \mathbb{R}^{n} \to \mathbb{R}[/itex] with compact support. The support [itex]\mbox{supp} \ \varphi (x)[/itex] of a function [itex]\varphi(x)[/itex] is the closure of the set on which [itex]\varphi (x) \neq 0[/itex].

Mmm I've got a little doubt here: you said ##(f,\varphi)## is a complex number, but as we're dealing with ##L_f:\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^{n}) \rightarrow \Bbb R## it would make more sense to me that ##(f,\varphi) \in \Bbb R## but of course I may be missing something really evident here).
No, that is a classic misunderstanding. When we turn the set [itex]\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex] into a vector space over the field of complex numbers, the elements of [itex]\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex] become complex-valued functions of the real variables [itex]x = (x^{1}, \cdots , x^{n})[/itex] in the open set [itex]\mathcal{O} \subset \mathbb{R}^{n}[/itex]. Let [itex]\alpha[/itex] and [itex]\beta[/itex] be two complex numbers and write [itex]\varphi = \alpha \varphi_{1} + \beta \varphi_{2}[/itex]. Now, is the number [itex](f , \varphi )[/itex] real or complex?

For a locally integrable function [itex]f(x)[/itex], the functional [itex]F_{f} [\varphi] \equiv (f , \varphi) = \int d^{n}x \ f(x) \varphi (x)[/itex] is linear in that, if [itex]\varphi_{1}[/itex] and [itex]\varphi_{2}[/itex] are in [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex] and if [itex]\alpha[/itex] and [itex]\beta[/itex] are two (real or complex) constants, then [tex]F_{f}[\alpha \varphi_{1} + \beta \varphi_{2}] = \alpha \ F_{f}[\varphi_{1}] + \beta \ F_{f}[\varphi_{2}].[/tex]
 
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  • #40
JD_PM said:
OK the idea I have in mind is showing that we get the same result either using ##\partial^{k} \left( \partial^{m}f \right)## or ##\partial^{m} \left( \partial^{k} f \right)##

When ##\partial^{k} \left( \partial^{m}f \right)## we get

$$\int dx \ \partial^{k} \left( \partial^{m}f \right) \ \varphi (x) = \partial^{k} \left( \partial^{m-1}f \right) \ \varphi (x) -\int dx \partial^{k} \left( \partial^{m-1}f \right) \ \partial \varphi (x)$$

Applying integration by parts ##m## times one gets
I am afraid that was garbage. For [itex]\varphi \in \mathcal{D}[/itex], use the following equalities [tex]\partial^{r + s} \varphi = \partial^{r}(\partial^{s}\varphi) = \partial^{s}(\partial^{r}\varphi) ,[/tex] integrate with [itex]f \in \mathcal{D}^{\prime}[/itex] and multiply the equalities with [itex](-1)^{r + s}[/itex]: [tex](-1)^{r + s} (f , \partial^{r + s} \varphi ) = (-1)^{r + s}(f ,\partial^{r}(\partial^{s}\varphi) ) = (-1)^{r + s}(f , \partial^{s}(\partial^{r}\varphi) .[/tex] Now, use our definition (1) once on the left-hand-side and twice in the middle and the right-hand sides. This gives you [tex](\partial^{r + s}f , \varphi ) = ( \partial^{s}(\partial^{r}f) , \varphi ) = (\partial^{r}(\partial^{s}f) , \varphi ).[/tex] QED.
 
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  • #41
JD_PM said:
Honestly I still do not completely get it either 😬
:smile:
The functional [itex]F_{f} [\varphi][/itex] is continuous in the following sense: Consider a sequence of functions [itex]\{ \varphi_{k}(x) \}[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D} (\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex] with the following two properties:
1. There exists a compact set [itex]K \subset \mathbb{R}^{n}[/itex] such that for all [itex]k[/itex], [itex]\mbox{supp}\ \varphi_{k} \subset K[/itex].
2. [itex]\lim_{k \to \infty} \partial^{m}\varphi_{k}(x) = 0[/itex] uniformly for all [itex]m = 0, 1, 2, \cdots[/itex].
Such a sequence is said to go to [itex]0[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex] and is written [itex]\varphi_{k} \to 0, \ k \to \infty[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex].
We then say that the functional [itex]F_{f}[\varphi][/itex] is continuous if [itex]F_{f}[\varphi_{k}] \to 0[/itex] for [itex]\varphi_{k} \to 0, \ k \to \infty[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex].

Let us discuss this definition of continuity of linear functionals on the space [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex]. Continuity is a topological property. The space [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex] is a linear vector space. It is made into a topological vector space by defining the neighbourhood of the “point” [itex]\varphi (x) = 0[/itex] by a sequence of semi-norms. One can show (and that one is definitely not you) that the two conditions required above in the definition of [itex]\varphi_{k} \to 0[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex] follow from the conditions used to define the neighbourhood of [itex]\varphi(x) = 0[/itex]. The definition of continuity of linear functional on [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex] can then be based on the weak or strong topologies of space [itex]\mathcal{D}^{\prime}[/itex]. It so happens that the definitions of continuity based on these topologies are equivalent to the above definition of [itex]F_{f}[\varphi_{k}] \to 0[/itex] if and only if [itex]\varphi_{k} \to 0[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex]. Furthermore, since [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex] is a linear space, we can define [itex]\varphi_{k} \to \varphi , \ k \to \infty[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex] if [itex](\varphi_{k} - \varphi ) \to 0, \ k \to \infty[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex], and because [itex]F_{f}[\varphi][/itex] is linear, we can also say that [itex]F_{f} [\varphi][/itex] is continuous on [itex]\mathcal{D}[/itex] if when [itex]\varphi_{k} \to \varphi[/itex], we have [itex]F_{f} [\varphi_{k}] \to F_{f} [\varphi][/itex].

Now, if you have digest the above, proving that [itex]f \mapsto \partial^{m}f[/itex] is continuous from [itex]\mathcal{D}^{\prime}[/itex] into [itex]\mathcal{D}^{\prime}[/itex] is “easy”. First, recall our definition [tex](\partial^{b}f , \varphi ) = (-1)^{|m|} (f , \partial^{m}\varphi ) . \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (1)[/tex] Since [itex]\varphi \mapsto (-1)^{|m|}\partial^{m}\varphi[/itex] is linear and continuous, the functional [itex]\partial^{m}f[/itex] defined by the right-hand-side of (1) is a generalized function in [itex]\mathcal{D}^{\prime}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex], i.e., the derivative of a distribution is also a distribution. Now, suppose [itex]f_{k} \to 0, \ k \to \infty[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}^{\prime}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex]. Then for all [itex]\varphi \in \mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex] we have [tex](\partial^{m}f_{k} , \varphi ) = (-1)^{|m|} (f_{k} , \partial^{m}\varphi ) \to 0, \ k \to \infty ,[/tex] meaning that [itex]\partial^{m}f_{k} \to 0, \ k \to \infty[/itex] in [itex]\mathcal{D}^{\prime}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex]. QED
 
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  • #42
samalkhaiat said:
3) Given a generalized function [itex]f \in \mathcal{D}^{\prime}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex] and a good function [itex]a \in C^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^{n})[/itex], how do you know that the Leibniz rule holds for the differentiation of the product [itex]af[/itex]? You don’t. But, if you use the definition (1), you can show that [tex]\partial^{m}\left( af \right) = \sum_{k \leq m} \begin{pmatrix} k \\ m \end{pmatrix} \ \partial^{k}a \ \partial^{m - k}f .[/tex]
To properly answer this, first let's set up the proper definitions so everything checks out latter.
Let [itex]V[/itex] be a vector space over the scalar field [itex]F[/itex] which can be either [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] or [itex]\mathbb{C}[/itex]. Given two elements of [itex]V[/itex] such as [itex]u, v \in V[/itex] be elements of [itex]V[/itex], then we define the inner product as map

$$(.,.): V \times V \to F$$
$$ u, v \to (u, v) \in F$$

such that it satisfies the following properties:
1. Conjugate symmetry:​
$$(u, v) = (u, v)^{*}$$
where the notation means that given [itex] z \in \mathbb{C};[/itex] then [itex] z^{*}[/itex] is just the complex-conjugate of [itex]z[/itex].​
2. Linearity in the first argument:​
$$\alpha, \beta \in F; \quad u, v, b \in V; \quad (\alpha u + \beta v, b) = \alpha(u, b) + \beta(v, b)$$

3. Positive definite:​
$$(x, x) \ge 0 \quad \forall x \in V \setminus \{0\}$$

Now, let [itex]\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^n)[/itex] be the vector space over the field [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] (if it was over the field [itex]\mathbb{C}[/itex], then we'd say [itex]\mathcal{D}(\mathbb{C}^n)[/itex]) such that its elements are "nice" functions [itex]\varphi :\mathbb{R}^n \to \mathbb{R}[/itex]. We say that a function is "nice" if:
  1. It's smooth
  2. It has compact support

And finally, given [itex]f, g \in \mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^n)[/itex], we take the our inner product to be:
$$(f, g) := \displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( f(x) g(x) \bigg)$$

With all this in place, we can finally define a "distribution". If [itex]V = \mathcal{D}(\mathbb{R}^n)[/itex] and [itex]V^{*}[/itex] is its dual space, then [itex]T_f \in V^{*}[/itex] is a linear form such that if [itex]f, \phi \in V[/itex] are nice functions, then [itex]\quad T_f[\phi] = (f, \phi) \in \mathbb{R}[/itex]. We call [itex]T_f[/itex] a "distribution", but usually we abuse the notation by calling [itex]f[/itex] itself the distribution. Because of that, it is desirable to define the derivative of a distribution such that [itex]\partial (T_f) = T_{\partial f}[/itex]. Using integration by parts and the fact that the nice functions have compact support:

$$(\partial f, \phi) = \displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( \partial f(x) \phi(x) \bigg) = \cancel{\bigg[ f(x) \phi(x) \bigg]_{-\infty}^{\infty}} - \displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( f(x) \partial \phi(x) \bigg) = -(f, \partial \phi)$$

$$\implies T_{\partial f}[\phi] = -T_{f}[\partial \phi]$$

From now on we'll abuse the notation too and refer to the distribution [itex]T_f[/itex] just as [itex]f[/itex].

Now, before proving the statement, I would like to point out that there's an error in the binomial number that you've written there, the [itex]m[/itex] and [itex]k[/itex] are swapped. I think the correct formula is:

$$\partial^{m}\left( af \right) = \sum_{k \leq m} \begin{pmatrix} m \\ k \end{pmatrix} \ \partial^{k}a \ \partial^{m - k}f = \sum_{k = 0}^m \begin{pmatrix} m \\ k \end{pmatrix} \ \partial^{k}a \ \partial^{m - k}f$$

based on what I see on wikipedia here.

Anyway, let's begin with the proof:
We'll first prove that the distribution [itex]f[/itex] satisfies the Leibniz rule as usual [itex] \partial(af) = (\partial a) f + a(\partial f) [/itex] . Then the proof for the given formula for a function [itex] a [/itex] and a functional [itex]f[/itex] is the same as it would be for two functions.

Let [itex]f(x), \varphi(x) \in V[/itex] be nice functions and [itex]f[/itex] be a distribution. Also let [itex]\varphi(x) = a(x) \phi(x)[/itex] where [itex]a, \phi \in V[/itex]. We'll understand that when we write [itex]f(x)[/itex] we refer to the function and when we write [itex]f[/itex] or [itex]f[.][/itex] we refer to the distribution.

$$f[\varphi] = (f(x), \phi(x)) = \displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( f(x) \varphi(x) \bigg) = \displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( a(x) f(x) \phi(x) \bigg) = $$

$$ = \displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( [a(x) f(x)] \phi(x) \bigg) = (af)[\phi] \equiv g[\phi]$$

where we have defined the distribution [itex]g[/itex] as [itex]af[/itex] and the function [itex]g(x) := a(x)f(x)[/itex]. Now

$$(\partial f, \varphi) = \displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( \partial f(x) \varphi(x) \bigg) = -\displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( f(x) \partial\{ a(x) \phi(x) \} \bigg) = $$

$$= -\displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( \partial a(x) f(x) \phi(x) \bigg) -\displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( g(x) \partial \phi(x) \bigg) = -(\partial a(x) f(x), \phi(x)) -(g(x), \partial \phi(x))$$

$$(\partial f, \varphi) = \displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( \partial f(x) \varphi(x) \bigg) = \displaystyle\int d^n x \bigg( [a(x) \partial f(x)] \phi(x) \bigg) = (a(x)\partial f(x), \phi(x))$$

$$(a\partial f)[\phi] = -(\partial af)[\phi] - g[\partial \phi] = -(\partial af)[\phi] + (\partial g)[\phi] \implies$$

$$\implies \bigg( \partial(af) \bigg) = \bigg( (\partial a) f \bigg) + \bigg(a(\partial f) \bigg)$$

and so we've proven that distributions obey the Leibniz rule.
Q.E.D.​
And so, because distributions behave the same way under differentiation as functions do, you can copy-paste the proof for the formula

$$\partial^{m}\left( af \right) = \sum_{k \leq m} \begin{pmatrix} m \\ k \end{pmatrix} \ \partial^{k}a \ \partial^{m - k}f = \sum_{k = 0}^m \begin{pmatrix} m \\ k \end{pmatrix} \ \partial^{k}a \ \partial^{m - k}f$$

for [itex]a[/itex] and [itex]f[/itex] being functions (which is trivial) into the one where they are distributions; thus proving the formula for distributions as well.
You can check that proof here.
 

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