Petr Horava's quantum Gravity ( without strings)

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The discussion centers around Petr Horava's approach to quantum gravity, which he proposes as a "small" theory decoupled from string theory, drawing on concepts from condensed matter physics. Participants explore the implications of this theory, its relation to existing models like Loop Quantum Gravity, and the philosophical underpinnings of quantum mechanics and gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Horava's theory is surprising in its lack of reference to string theory, despite his background as a string theorist.
  • One participant suggests that Horava's approach could potentially be embedded within string theory, although this is not addressed in the paper's conclusion.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of Lorentz symmetry breaking as a regulator in quantum field theory, suggesting it may be significant in the context of Horava's work.
  • A participant expresses a philosophical perspective that non-diffeomorphism in 4-manifolds and Lorentz violation could lead to quantum mechanics emerging from gravity, although they acknowledge this view may seem unconventional.
  • Discussion includes references to other works related to black hole mimickers and the nature of gravitational collapse, with speculation on how Horava's model might relate to these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting Horava's approach while others raise questions about its implications and connections to established theories like string theory. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the significance and validity of the ideas presented.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the philosophical implications of Horava's theory and its relation to existing models, indicating a need for further exploration of the assumptions underlying these discussions.

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Petr Horava attempts to start at this paper a small quantum gravity theory, like Loop Quantum Gravity, except that he, according to his words:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.3775v1

"In analogy with Yang-Mills, we are motivated to look for a “small” theory of quantum gravity in 3+1 dimensions, decoupled from strings. One attempt to construct such a “small”
theory is offered by loop quantum gravity. In this paper, we present a new strategy for addressing this problem. Compared to the previous approaches to quantum gravity, the novelty of our approach is that it takes advantage of theoretical concepts developed in recent decades in condensed matter physics, in particular in the theory of quantum critical phenomena."

I haven't yet read the paper, but I am really surprised he didn't use any string theory for that! :eek:

Perhaps that can be embended in string theory, but nonetheless, he didn't even adressed that in the conclusion. For those who don't know Petr Horava, he is one of the greatest string theorists.
 
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You have forgoted to put the link...
 
Ok, I posted the link :)
 
Check out Lubos' review of this idea. Because it was written by a string theorist, he doesn't bash it outright.

http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/01/horava-lifgarbagez-cotton-and-uv-general.html
 
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Hmm, I don't know if you follow my philospophical mumbles in this very subforum, but I think that non diffeoformism in 4 manifolds and lorentz violation causes QM to emerge from gravity and ghosts. It doesn't make sense, and surely sounds insane and crackpot to extreme. But I think if I set up a few things, perhapes related to condensed matter, that makes this something more like natural. I liked that article, because it makes me vaguely remember these ideas...
 
There's another:

Lorentz symmetry breaking as a quantum field theory regulator
3 Feb 2009
http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.0590

These are going to be big, I think.
 
This Matt Visser is one of my favorites right now. He is studying Black Hole mimickers, such as fuzzy spheres of string theory or one of the proposals of mimickers from Ashtekar, which I think are the realistic stellar objects, instead of black holes.

This is something I've been thinking because I never considered the usual solutions for GR as the true final state of any matter colapse (although the usual solutions are nearly perfect, almost undistinguishible from mimickers), given that, in the moment in which the even horizon "eats" the star, by considering a star as a continuous object, ignores the fact that particles are still there and they are still discrete objects. And there is the problem, that I see, of the dicotomy between the infinite/finite particle to add itself into a black hole, and which also ignores the fate of the universe (and the black hole), from the point of view of an infalling particle, before it crosses the horizon.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.4365
http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.0346

Maybe one of the things Matt has in mind, not cited in the article, by using this new Horava model, would be finding fuzzy spheres without resourting to String Theory.
 
MTd2 said:
Hmm, I don't know if you follow my philospophical mumbles in this very subforum, but I think that non diffeoformism in 4 manifolds and lorentz violation causes QM to emerge from gravity and ghosts.

You believe it or you've shown it? Because, you know, there's a difference...
 
BenTheMan said:
You believe it or you've shown it? Because, you know, there's a difference...
I thought it was clear that I believe that...
 

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