PH of solution containing HCl and bicarbonate

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pH of a solution containing 0.000077 M HCl and 0.03 M sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3). Participants explore the implications of these concentrations on the pH, considering both theoretical calculations and practical measurements.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in calculating pH due to limited chemistry knowledge and provides details about the preparation of the solution.
  • Another participant suggests that the amount of HCl is significantly lower than that of bicarbonate, indicating that it may not substantially affect the pH, which could be close to the bicarbonate's pH.
  • A participant mentions using a pH calculator and confirms the result aligns with expectations, while also inquiring about the applicability of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation.
  • There is a discussion about the assumptions needed for using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation, including the reaction of HCl with bicarbonate and the initial equimolar concentrations of bicarbonate and carbonic acid.
  • Another participant agrees with the approach of using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and emphasizes the importance of using the correct pKa value, while also noting the limitations of the equation under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the pH is likely to be near neutral due to the relative concentrations of HCl and bicarbonate. However, there are differing views on the best method to calculate the pH, particularly regarding the use of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and the assumptions involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumptions made about the reaction between HCl and bicarbonate, the applicability of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation under certain pH conditions, and the potential inaccuracies in pH calculations when the pH is far from the pKa values.

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This should be an easy one for some of you, but it's difficult to me because of my lack of chemistry knowledge. This is not a homework problem, but a calculation I need to do for my research.

I need to calculate the pH of a 1 Liter solution containing 0.000077 M HCl and 0.03 M Na-HCO3.
(not necessary to read --->) I started with 10 mL of 25% HCl, which has a concentration of 7.7 M HCl. I diluted this in 1 Liter of water bringing the concentration of HCl down to 0.077 M. I then take 1 mL of this solution and dilute it again in 1 L bringing the concentration of HCl down to 0.000077 M. To this solution I add 2.52 grams of sodium bicarbonate. This has a concentration of 0.03 M (2.52 g) x (1 mol / 84 g) x (1/L). The pKa for bicarbonate/carbonic acid, or HCO3 / H2CO3 is 6.4. The pKa for carbonate/bicarbonate, or CO3/HCO3 is 10.3. Bicarbonate, a buffer, reacts with HCl, as follows:

NaHCO3 + HCl <--> H2CO3 + NaCl

If you don't want to do calculations, could you tell from just looking at the concentrations that I will have a near neutral pH? I'm growing microorganisms.
 
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If you want to know pH, it is better to measure it.

Amount of HCl you added is three orders of magnitude lower than the amount of bicarbonate, so it is not able to substantially change the pH of the solution - which means you are close to the pH of the bicarbonate (##\frac{pK_{a1}+pK_{a2}}{2}##, see derivation here). pH calculator shows pH changes just by a few hundredths.
 
Thanks for the help. I just used the calculator and got the same result. Someone else told me I could use Henderson-Hasselbach, but in that equation do I also use the intermediate pKa? This person told me to:

1.) assume that all the HCl is reacted with the bicarbonate to form H2CO3
2.) assume that initially HCO3 and H2CO3 are equimolar
3.) add the concentration of HCl lost to H2SO3 and subtract it from HCO3.
 
kmichel1985 said:
Thanks for the help. I just used the calculator and got the same result. Someone else told me I could use Henderson-Hasselbach, but in that equation do I also use the intermediate pKa? This person told me to:

1.) assume that all the HCl is reacted with the bicarbonate to form H2CO3
2.) assume that initially HCO3 and H2CO3 are equimolar
3.) add the concentration of HCl lost to H2SO3 and subtract it from HCO3.

That's also a correct approach. Yes, you need to use pKa1 here, as it will be about equilibrium between H2CO3/HCO3-.

Note that HH equation has its limitations, especially when the pH calculated is far from the pKa value, pr when the pKa is small or too high.
 

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