Phi (the golden ratio) in prime quadruplets

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the presence of the golden ratio (Phi) in the context of prime quadruplets, exploring whether Phi and its roots can be found within the numerical relationships of these primes. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and debate regarding the validity of the claims made about Phi's significance in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that Phi exists at the center of prime quadruplets, suggesting a hidden relationship between the primes and Phi, its square root, and cube root.
  • Another participant challenges this assertion, arguing that the ratio presented (44.5/27.5) is a rational number and not Phi, which is irrational, and questions the significance of finding numbers close to Phi.
  • A further reply reiterates the challenge, emphasizing the manipulation of formulas and spacing to achieve approximations of Phi and its roots, questioning the validity of the original claim.
  • There is a mention of the accuracy of the cube root of Phi, which is claimed to be accurate to five decimal places, as part of the discussion on the relationships presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the numerical relationships involving Phi and the prime quadruplets. There is no consensus on the validity of the claims made about Phi's presence or significance in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential for manipulation of mathematical formulas and the subjective interpretation of numerical proximity to Phi, which may affect the conclusions drawn by participants.

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Phi exists at the center of prime quadruplets, along with its square root, and cube root!


http://www.code144.com/zphithrice.png


The 'pos' numbers come from the position of the prime numbers in the sequence itself, i.e. 193 is the 44th prime number, and 197 is the 45th prime number, thus, the center of the prime quadruplet (105) gets assigned a value at the center of these (44.5), and these numbers can make Phi!


Do you think it is strange that Phi is hiding here?
 
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I think it is strange that you think phi is "hiding" in there. What you show is the ratio of two half integers, 44.5/27.5= 1.6181818... which is NOT phi. That is a rational number while phi is irrational. Yes, it is "close" to phi (if you consider two decimal places "close") but it is easy to find numbers "close" to any given number if you look long enough.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I think it is strange that you think phi is "hiding" in there. What you show is the ratio of two half integers, 44.5/27.5= 1.6181818... which is NOT phi. That is a rational number while phi is irrational. Yes, it is "close" to phi (if you consider two decimal places "close") but it is easy to find numbers "close" to any given number if you look long enough.
Do you think it is a coincidence that the square root, and cube root (also to approximations) of Phi then directly follow, in that order, and all occur at the center of the quadruplets.

Get a probability guy over here, stat. :wink:

And by the way, it's three decimal places, not two -- and the cube root that follows is accurate to 5 decimal places.
 
You're not even using the same formula for all of them. Or the same spacing. Or the same column.

What are the odds of finding approximations of three given values when you can manipulate the formula, spacing, and column? Pretty damn good.
 

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