Photon collision with H2 molecule

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The discussion revolves around a photon colliding with a hydrogen molecule (H2) and the subsequent effects on the molecule's velocity and translational energy. The problem involves concepts from momentum conservation and kinetic energy in the context of molecular physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conservation of momentum and question the appropriate mass to use for H2 in calculations, considering both the mass of the hydrogen molecule and the concept of reduced mass. There is also discussion about the relationship between translational energy and kinetic energy.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mass considerations for H2 and clarifying the definitions of translational and kinetic energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding when to use reduced mass, but no consensus has been reached on all points.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the use of reduced mass versus the total mass of the hydrogen molecule, as well as the relationship between translational energy and kinetic energy. There is an acknowledgment of the negligible mass of electrons in this context.

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Homework Statement


A photon of a given wavelength "lambda" collides with a hydrogen molecule that's initially at rest (photon is absorbed by H2). Assuming absorption event conserves momentum, find velocity and translational energy of H2 after the event.


Homework Equations


momentum of photon = h/wavelength
momentum of object=mv
kinetic energy=1/2mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution


For the velocity, since momentum is conserved, and H2 is initially at rest:
h/wavelength=mv
where left side of equation is for photon and right side of equation is for H2.
So I plug in values to find "v". But I'm not sure of what to put in for "m". Is it just mass of two hydrogen atoms (which is really the mass of 2 protons) or is it the reduced mass of two hydrogen atoms or protons?

(In general, I'm confused as to when to use sum of masses as opposed to reduced mass)

And then for the kinetic energy, I guess I would just use 1/2mv^2... where "v" is velocity I find in the first part and "m" is... again, I'm not sure what "m" is.
 
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A photon of a given wavelength "lambda" collides with a hydrogen molecule . . . . translational energy of H2
m would be the mass of the hydrogen molecule, which means 2 protons and 2 electrons.
 
Astronuc said:
m would be the mass of the hydrogen molecule, which means 2 protons and 2 electrons.

Oh... so when would you ever use the reduced mass?

Also, can't I just ignore the 2 electrons' mass since they're about 4 orders of magnitude smaller than the proton?


Also, just to verify... translational energy of a molecule is the same thing as the kinetic energy of a molecule??
 
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See this for a discussion on reduced mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduced_mass

and this on the two body problem - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-body_problem

I would expect that if the photon interacted with one H atom, and the result was a change in rotation of the molecule, then one would use the reduce mass in the appropriate equation.

One could ignore the mass of the electrons and maintain reasonable approximation.
 
Thanks for the help! I think that makes more sense.

Last question, is translational energy the same thing as a kinetic energy? It would seem so since they are both the energy due to movement, but then I also read somewhere that kinetic energy is the sum of translational, rotational, and vibrational energy? I'm not sure... :(
 

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