Photon Collisions: Do They Bounce or Pass Through?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interactions between photons and neutrons, specifically whether photons bounce off each other or pass through, and how neutrons interact given their lack of charge. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and technical explanations related to particle physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that photons do not bounce off each other due to their lack of charge, while others question the implications of this in terms of interactions.
  • There is a suggestion that the interaction of physical matter can be modeled as exchanges of virtual photons, though the literal interpretation of this model is debated.
  • Participants discuss whether neutrons, which also lack charge, interact similarly, with some claiming they do not repel or bounce off each other.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the nature of matter and how particles like photons and neutrons interact, with references to concepts like tunneling effects in quantum mechanics.
  • One participant introduces the idea of photons interacting through a suppressed process, indicating that such interactions are not straightforward and do not resemble classical bouncing.
  • There is mention of the scattering behavior of neutrons in nucleon-nucleon interactions, highlighting that they can scatter due to strong interactions, despite not interacting electromagnetically at low energies.
  • Some participants express confusion about the nature of matter and its interactions, prompting requests for clearer explanations.
  • It is noted that neutrinos can pass through matter without interaction, raising questions about the nature of particles and their interactions.
  • One participant points out that neutrons can interact with photons due to their magnetic dipole, despite being neutral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of photon interactions, with multiple competing views on whether photons bounce or pass through each other. The discussion on neutrons also reveals differing perspectives on their interactions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations in understanding particle interactions, such as the dependence on definitions of "bounce" and the complexity of quantum mechanical effects that challenge classical intuitions.

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Do photons bounce off after they hit each other or they just pass through one and another?
 
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ryanuser said:
Do photons bounce off after they hit each other or they just pass through one and another?



No, photons do not carry charge so cannot bounce off each other. However, the interaction of physical matter is modeled as exchanges of virtual photons but I do not think there is agreement whether this should be taken literally in any sense.
 
So neutrons have no charge, so they also don't hit each other?
 
ryanuser said:
So neutrons have no charge, so they also don't hit each other?
They do not repel or bounce off each other.
 
Sorry I am just clarifying, so they move into each other then carry their path?
If yes, is it still matter when they move into each other like ghost.( as long as matter is an object where it gets bounced if it hits other particle).
 
ryanuser said:
Sorry I am just clarifying, so they move into each other then carry their path?
If yes, is it still matter when they move into each other like ghost.( as long as matter is an object where it gets bounced if it hits other particle).



Matter is not solid in the way you seem to imagine. Billions of neutrinos pass right through your body every day as they do not interact with physical matter and so you have never noticed. Does this mean you are a ghost?
 
Imagine we shoot a ball towards the ground with high power, it bounces back up. So if photons with high power hit each other they interact and bounce? How?
 
Ohhh so can you explain matter clearly for me please?
 
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A question like this is too general to answer. If you have something specific you wish to know, people would respond with what the best current model and theory says.
 
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ryanuser said:
So neutrons have no charge, so they also don't hit each other?

Maui said:
They do not repel or bounce off each other.

Neutrons have a very small scattering section, don't they?
 
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For every process/interaction, you have probabilities for it to happen. You shouldn't try to imagine things as the classical bouncing, which always occurs. Even in non-relativistic qm you have the tunneling effects, which tells you that something can pass through things without interacting with them. They are not ghosts, the particle just don't "feel" them.
The figure I showed above is a possible interaction between 2 photons, but it is suppressed being a 4th order interaction.

neutrons do scatter in nucleon nucleon scatterings. They don't scatter because of electromagnetic interactions (at least not in low energies where quarks don't "see" quarks) but they do due to other processes (like strong interactions).
Neutrinos are better to see that, since they can pass through the whole planet without interacting (because they interact only with weak interactions)
 
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Thanks, this topic answered some of my questions.
 
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DrChinese said:
Neutrons have a very small scattering section, don't they?



Yes, his example wasn't the best one to compare composite particles interactions when he talked about photons.
 
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Maui said:
Yes, his example wasn't the best one to compare composite particles interactions when he talked about photons.

Thanks, I thought I remembered as much.
 
  • #16
Neutrons can interact with photons because despite being neutral they do have a sizable magnetic dipole
 

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