Photon Experiment: What Will I See on Wall B?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thought experiment involving a photon gun and its implications for understanding quantum mechanics (QM), particularly in relation to the double-slit experiment and the behavior of photons as particles and waves. Participants explore the outcomes of firing single photons versus multiple photons and the resulting patterns observed on a detection screen.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that firing a single photon will result in a spot on wall B, indicating particle-like behavior.
  • Another participant argues that the "magic" of the double-slit experiment emerges when multiple photons are fired, leading to unpredictable results.
  • Some participants mention that the interference pattern observed with many photons cannot be explained classically and is a feature of quantum mechanics.
  • A participant questions whether the interference can be explained using classical physics, expressing skepticism about the necessity of QM.
  • Another participant explains that the wave solutions of Maxwell's equations can be interpreted in different ways, with implications for how photons behave in experiments.
  • Some participants emphasize that interference patterns require a sufficient number of photons, while a few photons may not produce a clear pattern.
  • A participant expresses a personal view that the interaction of waves with detectors is a central mystery in understanding these phenomena.
  • Another participant raises the idea that the appearance of discrete spots on a screen may be the essential mystery, questioning the interpretation of photons as tiny corpuscles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the interpretation of photon behavior, the necessity of quantum mechanics, and the nature of interference patterns. There is no clear consensus, and multiple competing interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in classical explanations for interference patterns and the dependence on the number of photons involved in the experiment. The discussion highlights unresolved questions about the nature of light and the interpretations of quantum mechanics.

  • #31
lightarrow said:
This is undemostrable. You can only say that you see single pointed flashes of light on the screen, you can't say it was because of a tiny corpuscle which has flown from the source and that have hit the screen (if this is what you intended). ..

So are you now agreeing with Cthugha's points? As opposed to the above? The idea of photons as discrete has been demonstrated very well, even has become an undergrad experiment:

"Observing the quantum behavior of light in an undergraduate laboratory"
J. J. Thorn, M. S. Neel, V. W. Donato, G. S. Bergreen, R. E. Davies, and M. Becka
Received 4 December 2003; accepted 15 March 2004

While the classical, wavelike behavior of light (interference and diffraction) has been easily
observed in undergraduate laboratories for many years, explicit observation of the quantum nature of light (i.e., photons) is much more difficult. For example, while well-known phenomena such as the photoelectric effect and Compton scattering strongly suggest the existence of photons, they are not definitive proof of their existence. Here we present an experiment, suitable for an undergraduate laboratory, that unequivocally demonstrates the quantum nature of light. Spontaneously downconverted light is incident on a beamsplitter and the outputs are monitored with single-photon counting detectors. We observe a near absence of coincidence counts between the two detectors—a result inconsistent with a classical wave model of light, but consistent with a quantum description in which individual photons are incident on the beamsplitter. More explicitly, we measured the degree of second-order coherence between the outputs to be g(2)(0)50.017760.0026, which
violates the classical inequality g(2)(0)>1 by 377 standard deviations.

© 2004 American Association of Physics Teachers.
 
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  • #32
DrChinese said:
This is undemostrable. You can only say that you see single pointed flashes of light on the screen, you can't say it was because of a tiny corpuscle which has flown from the source and that have hit the screen (if this is what you intended).
So are you now agreeing with Cthugha's points? As opposed to the above?
But Cthugha's point is not completely opposed to the above, infact he wrote:
Ok, let me at first state, that I consider a single photon to be a single excitation of the quantized em-field and that I consider the discreteness of energy to be the defining property of the term "single". So, considering usual measurements, which involve detection of single photons, arriving is just defined by the absorption of this discrete amount of energy
...
Of course you cannot imagine photons as tiny balls flying through space...
The idea of photons as discrete has been demonstrated very well, even has become an undergrad experiment:

"Observing the quantum behavior of light in an undergraduate laboratory"
J. J. Thorn, M. S. Neel, V. W. Donato, G. S. Bergreen, R. E. Davies, and M. Becka
Received 4 December 2003; accepted 15 March 2004

While the classical, wavelike behavior of light (interference and diffraction) has been easily
observed in undergraduate laboratories for many years, explicit observation of the quantum nature of light (i.e., photons) is much more difficult. For example, while well-known phenomena such as the photoelectric effect and Compton scattering strongly suggest the existence of photons, they are not definitive proof of their existence. Here we present an experiment, suitable for an undergraduate laboratory, that unequivocally demonstrates the quantum nature of light. Spontaneously downconverted light is incident on a beamsplitter and the outputs are monitored with single-photon counting detectors. We observe a near absence of coincidence counts between the two detectors—a result inconsistent with a classical wave model of light, but consistent with a quantum description in which individual photons are incident on the beamsplitter. More explicitly, we measured the degree of second-order coherence between the outputs to be g(2)(0)50.017760.0026, which
violates the classical inequality g(2)(0)>1 by 377 standard deviations.

© 2004 American Association of Physics Teachers.
Anyway, those results made me think and I'm strongly considering the idea that is the EM field to be really quantized (as assumed in QED), instead of the interaction EM field-detector only.
Thank you.
 

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