Photon-Photon Interactions: What Determines Pair Production vs. Scattering?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions that determine whether a collision between two high-energy photons results in pair production or photon-photon scattering. It touches on theoretical aspects of particle interactions and the energy requirements for different outcomes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the outcome of photon collisions is random, with pair production requiring at least 1 MeV center of mass energy.
  • Another participant questions whether there is a reason for one outcome (pair production) to occur over the other (scattering), suggesting that both can happen under the same conditions.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while both outcomes are possible, they are not necessarily equally probable, mentioning that pair production occurs at tree level while scattering involves one-loop interactions.
  • Another participant introduces the Mandelstam variable S to analyze the probabilities of outcomes, providing specific formulas for cross sections related to scattering and pair production based on energy conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the randomness of outcomes and the factors influencing the likelihood of pair production versus scattering. There is no consensus on whether additional factors determine the outcomes beyond energy considerations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific energy thresholds and mathematical models, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities or assumptions underlying these models.

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When two high energy photons collide with each other, what determines whether a pair production results or whether a photon-photon scattering results? I hope my question makes sense.
 
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It is random (and most of the time, nothing happens), as all collisions in particle physics.
Pair production requires at least 1 MeV center of mass energy, of course.
 
So a collision that can result in pair production can just as well result in scaterring, with no reason why one occurs and not the other?
 
So a collision that can result in pair production can just as well result in scaterring, with no reason why one occurs and not the other?
That's what the man said.
 
Bill_K said:
That's what the man said.

Just checking. I thought there was more to it than that.
 
kuartus4 said:
So a collision that can result in pair production can just as well result in scaterring, with no reason why one occurs and not the other?

This is not to say that they're equally probable though.

In particular, the diagram involving pair production is at tree level whereas the interaction term is one loop.
 
kuartus4 said:
Just checking. I thought there was more to it than that.
you can just use the mandelstam variable S(there are three) which represents total energy to decide which one has more possibility over other.for scattering in which S<< 4ml2,the cross section σ=α4S3/ml8,for box graph.and for
S>> 4ml2
for single pair production,
σ≈(∏α2/S)log(s/ml2)
 

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