Undergrad Understanding the Relationship Between Photon Spin and Polarization Vectors

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between photon spin and polarization vectors, specifically addressing the polarization states of photons with helicity eigenstates. It clarifies that while photons do not possess spin, they are indeed eigenstates of helicity, which is defined as the component of angular momentum along the direction of momentum. The helicity operator for massless particles, including photons, is identified as the Lorentz generator of the stability little group. The conversation also touches on the distinction between spin for massive particles and helicity for massless particles, emphasizing that spin cannot be defined for photons since they cannot be brought to rest. Overall, the thread explores the theoretical underpinnings of photon polarization and helicity in quantum field theory.
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Relationship between photon spin and polarisation.
In Griffiths Elementary Particles (2nd, revised edition) there is a footnote on page 241, which states that the photon states with ##m_s = \pm 1## are related to the polarization vector by:
$$\epsilon_+ = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2} (-1, -i, 0) \ \text{and} \ \epsilon_- = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2} (1, -i, 0)$$
But, he doesn't give any justification for this. How do we relate these spatial polarisation vectors to eigenstates of the relevant angular momentum or helicity operator?
 
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Those are polarization vectors for right and left circular polarized waves.
 
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Meir Achuz said:
Those are polarization vectors for right and left circular polarized waves.
Yes, I know. But aren't they also spin eigenstates?
 
They are helicity eigenstates. Massless fields are different wrt. spin-like degrees of freedom. For spin ##s## there are only 2 helicity-degrees of freedom rather than ##(2s+1)## for nassive particles. The reason is to be found in the analysis of the unitary reps. of the Poincare group. See Weinberg, QT of fields, vol. 1.
 
PeroK said:
Yes, I know. But aren't they also spin eigenstates?

No, because photons have no spin. But they are eigenstates of helicity.
 
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DrDu said:
No, because photons have no spin. But they are eigenstates of helicity.
How do we show that?

What is the helicity operator for photons?
 
PeroK said:
How do we show that?

What is the helicity operator for photons?
For any massless particle, the helicity operator is the Lorentz generator J_{12} of the stability little group* G_{p} of p^{\mu} = E (1,0,0,-1), with E>0.

* G_{p} = \big\{ \forall \Lambda \in SO(1,3) | \ \Lambda p = p \big\}
 
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samalkhaiat said:
For any massless particle, the helicity operator is the Lorentz generator J_{12} of the stability little group* G_{p} of p^{\mu} = E (1,0,0,-1), with E>0.

* G_{p} = \big\{ \forall \Lambda \in SO(1,3) | \ \Lambda p = p \big\}
That explains why I couldn't figure it out myself. Thanks.
 
PeroK said:
How do we show that?

What is the helicity operator for photons?
Spin is the angular momentum in the rest frame of a particle. As a photon cannot be brought to rest, we can't define its spin.
 
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"Spin is the angular momentum in the rest frame of a particle "
That is a property of spin for a massive particle, not a definition.
Helicity is the component of angular momentum in the direction of the momentum.
It's just a quibble over words.
 
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