Physical interpretation of Feynman path integral

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The discussion revolves around the physical interpretation of the Feynman path integral, exploring its implications in quantum mechanics and its relationship to other concepts such as virtual particles and Feynman diagrams. Participants share various viewpoints on whether the path integral has a definitive physical interpretation or if it serves primarily as a computational tool.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the path integral lacks a physical interpretation, viewing it as a method for approximating calculations rather than a reflection of how nature operates.
  • Others argue that the path integral does have a physical interpretation, relating it to the 'sum-over-histories' concept in quantum mechanics.
  • A participant mentions that the probability amplitude for a particle's position can be derived from the path integral formulation.
  • There are inquiries about the relationship between path integrals and manifolds, with some suggesting that paths can be considered one-dimensional manifolds.
  • Discussions include the role of the action in the path integral and the nature of the exponential factor in the integral, with questions about the possible values of the action.
  • Participants reference various texts and papers for further reading, indicating differing opinions on which resources are most helpful for understanding the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the physical interpretation of the Feynman path integral; multiple competing views remain, with some participants asserting it lacks a physical basis while others defend its interpretative value.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact nature of the action in the path integral and its implications, as well as the relationship between path integrals and other concepts in quantum mechanics.

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Hi
What is the physical interpretation of Feynman path integral?
Thanks :smile:
 
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Feynman said:
Hi
What is the physical interpretation of Feynman path integral?
Thanks :smile:

here is one view: it does not have a physical interpretation
because it is a way of calculating a sometimes very close approximation

but nature does not know or care how we calculate
she does something, we don't know exactly how
and we have this way of calculating that gets the right answer

it's like virtual particles---maybe they don't exist in nature but they are good to calculate with

it's like feynmann diagrams: maybe nature doesn't know about them---she doesn't need to because she has her own way of doing things without perturbation series----maybe nothing in nature corresponds to feynmann diagrams---they are useful, tho, for organizing the calculation of a perturbation expansion.

that is just one viewpoint :smile:
hopefully someone else will provide a contrasting one

BTW Feynmann, if you haven't already I invite you to have a look in this Quantum Physics forum
at the electroweak conversation between turin and zephram.
if zephram answers on this thread it will probably be interesting
 
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But I know that the path integral have a physical interpretation but i don't know
 
hello marcus!
I'm interested by the subject but I didn't find the post of turin and zephram. Can you give me a link please?
 
Read Feynman and Hibbs' book "Path Integrals." The introduction should satisfy your curiosity.
 
So i don't have the Feynman Hibbs book
So can u tell me about the physical interpretation of the path integrals :@
 
It relational to the many 'sum-over-history' interpretation also by Feynman.
For instance:The fundamental question in the path integral (PI) formulation of quantum mechanics is:If the particle is at a position q at time t = 0, what is the probability amplitude that it will be at some other position q0 at a later time t = T?

This I took from this good paper:http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/0004/0004090.pdf

If you read through it, you can form your own viewpoint, interpretation is open to a vast number of probibilities, every path has many (integral-able)(connecting) histories!

PS the original paper by Feynman was rejected!
 
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Dear Olias;
I see the link. can you tell me how did dirac observed the action plays a central role?
(also the difference between lagrangian and hamiltonian interpretation)
Tanks in advanced.
 
You might want to start off reading some of these introductory articles by EF Taylor
http://www.eftaylor.com/leastaction.html
and watching some of Feynman's lectures in Auckland (which became "QED")
http://www.vega.org.uk/series/lectures/feynman/
 
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But I think taht the Feynman path integral is a link between the quantum physics and the quantum field theory, but how?
 
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meldi said:
hello marcus!
I'm interested by the subject but I didn't find the post of turin and zephram. Can you give me a link please?

hi meldi, sorry I didnt respond earlier, I will get a link to that
electroweak thread in the Quantum Physics forum

here's the part of my post that I think you are responding to:

...BTW Feynmann, if you haven't already I invite you to have a look in this Quantum Physics forum
at the electroweak conversation between turin and zephram.
if zephram answers on this thread it will probably be interesting...

the thread begins here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=31857

first Duct Taper says something
then Zephram replies
then Turin says "I would like to hear a little more..."

it is really turins perceptive questioning that elicits the good exposition
that thread is a model of what I wish we had more of
 
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marcus said:
...that thread is a model of what I wish we had more of

Yes indeed. I followed that thread and was fascinated by zephram. Thanks zephram.

Regards
 
  • #13
RE: "So i don't have the Feynman Hibbs book "

Then buy it, or check it out from the library.
 
  • #14
thank you very much Marcus!
 
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JohnDubYa said:
RE: "So i don't have the Feynman Hibbs book "

Then buy it, or check it out from the library.

I bought Feynman Hibbs about ten years ago. I can't really say it helped me understand field theory. The book that really made a breakthrough for me (YMMD) was Hatfield, Quantum Field Theory of Point Particles and Strings. This book is pretty useless as a general reference but it is very intuitive, somewhat in the style of Zefram_C's explanations, but with all the math, too.
 
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Some of Dyson's original papers on the subject are also informative, and quite readable. It explains the link between canonical quantization and the path integral. So if you understand the former things are well off.

I still love A Zee's book, Quantum field theory in a Nutshell. Its a very quick read, is wonderfully intuitive and quite deep. You pretty much have the path integral thrown at you right from the getgo, and its only a few chapters before its almost fully justified.
 
  • #17
So gentelmen,
How we can interprate for exemple the excat solution of Shrodinger equation for harmonic oscilator by Feynmanpath integral?
which is very complex
 
  • #18
OHHHHH
If i can't buy the book, what i do?
 
  • #19
what is the probabilisitic point view about path integral?
 
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Please what is the probabilisitic point view about path integral?
 
  • #21
What is the relation between Manifolds and the path integral?
Thanks
 
  • #22
What is the differential geometry role on path integral?
 
  • #23
Feynman said:
Please what is the probabilisitic point view about path integral?
The probability of traveling from one point to the other is the sum over all paths between them of the probability of traveling along that path; The path integral is basically just that sum over paths.
 
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So can we consider that the path integral is an integral over manifolds?
 
  • #25
So can we consider that the path integral is an integral over manifolds?
 
  • #26
So can we consider that the path integral is an integral over manifolds?
 
  • #27
?
 
  • #28
Feynman said:
So can we consider that the path integral is an integral over manifolds?
Paths are manifold.
 
  • #29
Who and why Paths are manifold Mike?
I'm talking about path integrals
 
  • #30
Mike means that a path (a one-dimensional continuum) is a manifold. A one-dimensional manifold. But I am sure that wasn't what you meant. But I can't figure out what you did mean.
 

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