Physical meaning for wavefunction

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The discussion revolves around the requirements and implications of having a wave equation for quantum mechanical systems, particularly focusing on the physical meaning of the wavefunction and its evolution over time. Participants explore the relationship between the wave equation, measurement processes, and interpretations of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a wave equation is necessary to predict the probabilistic time and space evolution of the wavefunction under potential constraints, emphasizing the loss of dynamicity without it.
  • Another participant agrees that the evolution of the wave requires a wave equation but notes that this does not clarify the effects of measurements on the wavefunction.
  • There is mention of different interpretations of quantum mechanics regarding measurement, including the Copenhagen interpretation, which involves wavefunction collapse, and other interpretations that involve unitary evolution through entanglement.
  • Participants discuss essential features that the wave equation should satisfy, including consistency with the statistical interpretation of the wavefunction, normalization, and the correspondence principle.
  • One participant questions the separation of normalization from the statistical interpretation, suggesting they may be the same requirement.
  • Another participant states that the de Broglie relations must be recoverable from the wave equation in the case of a pure plane wave, which is linked to deriving Schrödinger's equation.
  • Clarifications are requested regarding the recovery of de Broglie relations and the implications for the wave equation.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the wave equation, the nature of measurement in quantum mechanics, and the interpretation of the correspondence principle. There is no consensus on these issues, and multiple competing views remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of the relationship between the wave equation and measurement processes, as well as the need for clarity on the implications of the correspondence principle and normalization in the context of quantum mechanics.

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I faced a weird question:what is the requirement of having a wave equation for the QM systems?

I think unless we have it,we cannot predict the probabilistic time and space evolution of the wave function subjected to potential constraints.(dynamicity of the wave function will be lost).
However,this does not help us to see the effect of performing measurements on the wave function...

Any point missing?

Another thing:

The essential features of this equations should be:

(i) Should be consistent with statistical interpretation of wave function
(ii) [tex]\psi[/tex] should be normalized all the way
(iii)The equation should be consistent with correspodence principle

Any suggestion?
 
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As about half of the posts on the quantum physics forum here (I didn't do statistics, just a guess), you're talking about the interpretational issues of quantum theory (what does the wavefunction mean ? What does it physically represent ? ...)
There are several views on the issue, none of which can be said to be the undisputable consensus of the entire physics community. Each view has its advantages and disadvantages. We're close to 80 years of dispute...
 
neelakash said:
I faced a weird question:what is the requirement of having a wave equation for the QM systems?

I think unless we have it,we cannot predict the probabilistic time and space evolution of the wave function subjected to potential constraints.(dynamicity of the wave function will be lost).
Yes. Once one accepts that quantum mechanics involves a wave, the obvious question is: how does this wave evolves with time. In other words, one needs a wave equation.
However,this does not help us to see the effect of performing measurements on the wave function...
That's right. The time evolution (which is unitary) is one thing. The measurement process is a totally separate question and then one has to deal with interpretations of quantum mechanics. In the Copenhagen interpretation, the measurement leads to a collapse which is non-unitary. In other interpretation, the measurement process does not involve collapse but entanglement of the object's wavefunction with the wavefunction of the observing apparatus and this process is still unitary.
Any point missing?

Another thing:

The essential features of this equations should be:

(i) Should be consistent with statistical interpretation of wave function
(ii) [tex]\psi[/tex] should be normalized all the way
Right. But I am not sure why these are listed separately, It seems to me that they are the same thing (i.e. the only requirement coming from the statistical interpretation is that the wavefunction must remain normalized)
(iii)The equation should be consistent with correspodence principle

Any suggestion?

I am not sure if you mean the correspondence principle in the sense of "for large quantum numbers the classical results are recovered" inw hich case I don't see this as directly connected to the wave equation. But I would say that the de Broglie relations must be recovered from the wave equation in the special (unphysical) case of a pure plane wave. as far as I know, this is the argument that leads to obtaining Schrödinger's equation.
 
I would say that the de Broglie relations must be recovered from the wave equation in the special (unphysical) case of a pure plane wave. as far as I know, this is the argument that leads to obtaining Schrödinger's equation.

Can you please clarify somewhat more?
 
neelakash said:
Can you please clarify somewhat more?
EDIT: I corrected a typo


I mean that p = h/ lambda and E = h f must be recovered when psi describes a plane wave. taking a plane wave to be of the form [itex]e^{i kx - \omega t}[/itex], one sees that [tex]\frac{p^2}{2m} \psi[/tex] must be given by [tex]-\frac{ \hbar^2}{2m} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} \psi(x)[/tex] and so on when psi is a plane wave.

Now, imposing that [tex]E \psi = \frac{p^2}{2m} \psi + V \psi[/tex]must be valid for any wave (not only plane waves), one gets Schrödinger's equation.
 
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