Physical meaning of 3 order spatial derivative?

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The discussion centers around the physical meaning of a specific partial differential equation involving a third-order spatial derivative. Participants explore its implications in various physical contexts, including fluid dynamics and wave phenomena.

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  • Some participants inquire about the physical interpretation of the equation, specifically its third-order spatial derivative.
  • One participant notes that the first-order derivative represents a gradient and the second-order derivative represents curvature, questioning the meaning of the third-order derivative.
  • Another participant identifies the equation as a linearized form of the Korteweg-deVries equation, suggesting it models surface waves and nonlinear waves in dispersive-dissipative media.
  • A different perspective suggests that if 'u' represents the concentration of a diffusing species, the equation describes transient convection and diffusion in a flowing stream, with specific roles for the velocity and diffusion coefficient.

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Participants express differing views on the physical systems that can be described by the equation, with no consensus reached on a singular interpretation or application.

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Participants mention various applications and interpretations, indicating that the equation may have multiple contexts depending on the assumptions made about the physical system.

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Hi

Does anybody know the physics meaning of the following equation

[itex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}+\bar{U}\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=D\frac{\partial ^3 u}{\partial x^3}[/itex]

Is there any physical system can be described by this equation?

Thanks.
 
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The 1st order is the gradient
The 2nd order is the curvature
The third order is... ? That the jist of the question ?

note - you normally find the equation from the physics, not the other way around.
There are probably, after all, many situations where you'd want to find the gradient of the curvature.
 
jollage said:
Hi

Does anybody know the physics meaning of the following equation

[itex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}+\bar{U}\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=D\frac{\partial ^3 u}{\partial x^3}[/itex]

Is there any physical system can be described by this equation?

Thanks.
That is one form (the linearized form) of the Korteweg-deVries equation, and can be used to model surface waves. Other 'flavors' of the KdV equation are used to model nonlinear waves in a dispersive-dissipative medium. Including other spatial dimensions allows you to model unsteady hydrodynamic boundary layers.
 
If u is the concentration of a diffusing species, this equation describes the transient 1D convection and diffusion of the species in a flowing stream. In this application, U is the velocity of the stream in which the species is dissolved, and D is the diffusion coefficient. The flow is in the x-direction. The problem is set up using an Eulerian frame of reference.

Chet
 

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