Physical significance of othogonality condition?

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The discussion centers on the physical significance of the orthogonality condition in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to eigenstates and measurements. Participants explore the implications of orthogonality for measurement outcomes and the properties of quantum states.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the meaning of orthogonality in the context of eigenstates and its physical significance.
  • One participant suggests that if two orthogonal eigenstates correspond to distinct eigenvalues, measuring one state results in a zero probability of measuring the other state immediately after.
  • Another participant references the postulates of quantum mechanics, discussing the probability of measuring a particle in an orthogonal state and how this relates to the measurement outcomes.
  • It is noted that orthogonality implies independence in quantum measurements, with no interference between orthogonal states.
  • A participant elaborates on the implications of having an orthogonal set of solutions to the Schrödinger equation, indicating that these correspond to pure states with distinct physical properties and quantum numbers.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexities introduced by energetic degeneracy, where orthogonal solutions may mix, particularly in the context of unpaired electron spins in a magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the implications of orthogonality, with some agreeing on its significance in measurement outcomes while others introduce complexities related to degeneracy and the nature of pure states. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of orthogonality and the assumptions made regarding measurement contexts and quantum states. The discussion does not resolve the complexities introduced by degeneracy.

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what is the physical significance of othogonality condition? or what is meant when we say that two eigen states are orthogonal?
 
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sruthisupriya said:
what is the physical significance of othogonality condition? or what is meant when we say that two eigen states are orthogonal?

Here's one thing. Suppose that two orthogonal eigstates of the observable A correspond to distinct eigenvalues a1 and a2. Perform a meausurement of A and assume that the result is a1. Perform a second measurement of A immediately after the first measurement. The probability that the result is a2 is zero.
 
Think about the postulates of quantum mechanics:

If I can measure certain eigenstates, the probability of measuring a particle in the state [tex]|\Psi\rangle[/tex] and obtaining it being in the state [tex]|\phi\rangle[/tex] after measurement is

[tex]P(\phi) = |\langle \phi | \Psi \rangle|^2[/tex]

So what if these two states are orthogonal to each other?
 
Orthogonal means perpendicular, uncorrelated. suppose A is orthogonal to B-- like spin up and spin down. Then they are independent in the sense that in a quantum measurement there's no A-B imterference.
Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 
Except for energetic degeneracy, having an orthogonal set of solutions to the Schroedinger equation means that you've got wavefunctions corresponding to pure states. These pure states correspond to definite and different values of quantum numbers (say, orbital occupation) and have possibly distinct physical properties ( dipole moment, polarizability). Any experimental measurement of an eigenvalue property of a mixture of orthogonal states would measure an average of the quantity in the pure states. Also, having a pure state means that there is a non-zero probability to trap and observe the individual quantum states by themselves. For example, the lowest energy electronic configuration of helium is with the 1s orbital doubly occupied. And that's almost all of what's inside a helium gas cylinder. But there are orthogonal higher energy states, say 2s(2), that may have different values of, polarizability, for example. Contrary to what's above, you can observe different instantaneous values of a property of a pure state at different times. The proper value is given as a time average - the electron density is one example, because it's a probability distribution.
In the case of degeneracy, such as with unpaired electron spin not in a magnetic field, the situation is a little more complicated, because the degenerate orthogonal solutions can mix.
-Jim
 

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