Physical Significance of the Product Av for Non-Eigenvector States

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physical significance of the product Av, where A is a matrix representing an observable and v is a vector representing a system state that is not an eigenvector of A. Participants explore the implications of this product in the context of quantum mechanics and measurement theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the physical significance of the product Av, initially thinking it represented the state after observation but later realizing this interpretation is incorrect.
  • Another participant clarifies that Av does not have a useful interpretation for arbitrary states v and suggests that the correct representation of the state after measurement involves the Hamiltonian and the state of the measuring apparatus.
  • A different participant introduces the concept that (v*).Av can represent an average if multiple copies of v are prepared and measured, referencing the notation and mentioning Ehrenfest's theorem.
  • Another participant expresses interest in Ehrenfest's theorem, indicating a desire to explore its implications further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the significance of Av for non-eigenvector states, with differing views on its interpretation and implications in measurement theory.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of interpreting the product Av in quantum mechanics, noting that assumptions about the state and the operator can significantly affect the interpretation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in the areas of measurement theory and the mathematical formalism of observables.

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If A is a matrix that represents an observation and v is a vector that represents a system state before being observed - and v is not an eigenvector of A - is there any physical significance to the product Av? At first I thought it was what v would become after the observation (I was reading a pretty bad book). Now I know that's completely wrong but I was just wondering if it meant anything at all.

Thanks.
 
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"If A is an operator representing an observable"...is how your question should have started. :smile: You could also have said "measurable quantity" or something like that instead of "observable".

There's no useful interpretation of Av that holds for arbitrary states v.

If you want the state after the interaction, its [itex]e^{-iHt}v\otimes w[/itex] where w is the state of the measuring apparatus, H is the Hamiltonian describing the interaction between the two, and t is the time from "before the measurement" to "after the measurement".
 
Thanks Fredrik. I didn't know that there is a vector associated with the measuring apparatus.
 
(v*).Av or something like that is the average if you prepare multiple copies of v and measure A on it multiple times.

Often written <v|A|v>.

You can also see Ehrenfest's theorem.
 
Hey thanks, atyy. The Ehrenfest theorem looks very interesting indeed.
 

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