Physics: Decreasing Speed Parabola Equation

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The discussion revolves around understanding the components of a quadratic equation in the context of motion, specifically relating to initial position, velocity, and acceleration as represented in the equation of a parabola. Participants are exploring the relationship between the coefficients of the equation and the physical quantities they represent.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to identify the significance of the coefficients in the equation and how they relate to physical concepts such as position, velocity, and acceleration. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the variable "t" and its role in the equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants seeking clarification on fundamental concepts like coefficients and their meanings in the context of the equation. There is an acknowledgment of varying levels of understanding among participants, and some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of velocity and acceleration.

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Some participants express a lack of background in physics and calculus, which may influence their understanding of the material. The discussion includes references to external resources, such as a video on LoggerPro, and the challenges of learning in an online format without direct instruction.

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Homework Statement
• What is the equation of this motion?

• According to the equation, what was the car’s…

i. initial position (= constant term)

ii. initial velocity (= t coefficient)

iii. acceleration (= double the t2 coefficient)
Relevant Equations
X=A*T^2+BT+C
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kalcorn said:
i. initial position (= constant term)
ii. initial velocity (= t coefficient)
iii. acceleration (= double the t2 coefficient)

Right, but do you know why those quantities are those parts of the equation you stated? If ##x = At^2 + Bt + C##, then can you see how you find ##x(0)##, ##\frac{dx}{dt}(0)## and ##\frac{d^2 x}{dt^2}(0)##?

It should be easy enough to read the actual coefficients off of the little auto-fit box
 
I am seriously lost I never took physics or calculus in high school and this is my first college course regrading either.
 
kalcorn said:
I am seriously lost I never took physics or calculus in high school and this is my first college course regrading either.

That's okay. What do you know about how velocity and acceleration are defined in terms of rates of change?
 
I don't, I guess my big question overall is what is "t" like is it an actual number I need to plug into the equation or is it just a variable?
 
It's a parameter, if you choose any number for ##t## (so long as the time of the measurement is actually defined), and plug it into the equation, you will get out the position at that time.

Have you covered some calculus?
 
No, The highest level of math I ever had was algebra 2 and geometry.
 
In that case, it's going to be hard to convince you of why the things you put in the brackets are true. So I think you just need to take them as true, for now at least.

Ignoring the uncertainties for the moment, can you see what those three quantities are if the relation is $$x = -14.19t^2 +79.75 t+0.1982$$
 
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Thats what I kinda thought was the equation I didn't put the negative or the t^2. It just looks very different from the "example" equations given in our powerpoint.
 
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etotheipi said:
hard to convince you of why the things you put in the brackets are true
Not sure if you are reading it differently, but it looks to me that the descriptions in parentheses were provided as hints in the question, not added by @kalcorn. If so, there is no evidence of any work by the OP.

@kalcorn , am I right about that? Do you understand what is meant by a coefficient? If I write an equation like y=ax+b, can you identify the coefficient of x?
 
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haruspex said:
Not sure if you are reading it differently, but it looks to me that the descriptions in parentheses were provided as hints in the question, not added by @kalcorn. If so, there is no evidence of any work by the OP.

@kalcorn , am I right about that? Do you understand what is meant by a coefficient? If I write an equation like y=ax+b, can you identify the coefficient of x?
You’re correct those were given by the professor. I do not know what a coefficient is but I would guess a since it’s attached? Math and science are not my strengths. I’m going to school to be a severe interventions special education teacher and this just happens to be a required class, that I have no background knowledge in. Also the class is online with no lecture so I’m teaching myself due to covid.
 
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kalcorn said:
You’re correct those were given by the professor. I do not know what a coefficient is but I would guess a since it’s attached? Math and science are not my strengths. I’m going to school to be a severe interventions special education teacher and this just happens to be a required class, that I have no background knowledge in. Also the class is online with no lecture so I’m teaching myself due to covid.
I did make the graph myself with a given video on loggerpro.
 
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kalcorn said:
I do not know what a coefficient is but I would guess a since it’s attached?
Yes, it's the constant multiplier in the term.
The equation ##y=ax^2+bx+c## has three 'terms' on the RHS. If x is the independent variable and y the dependent variable (i.e. its value changes when x changes), and a, b and c are constants, we say that a is the coefficient in the quadratic (i.e. x2) term and b is the coefficient in the linear term.

In your equation x is the dependent variable and t the independent variable.
By convention, we start time at t=0, so the initial position is the value of x when t=0.
We can get the velocity (rate of change of position) at any instant by differentiating the equation with respect to t. The rules of differentiation give ##v=2at+b##. The initial velocity is the value of v when t=0.
To get the acceleration (rate of change of velocity) we differentiate again to get ##accn=2a##.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, it's the constant multiplier in the term.
The equation ##y=ax^2+bx+c## has three 'terms' on the RHS. If x is the independent variable and y the dependent variable (i.e. its value changes when x changes), and a, b and c are constants, we say that a is the coefficient in the quadratic (i.e. x2) term and b is the coefficient in the linear term.

In your equation x is the dependent variable and t the independent variable.
By convention, we start time at t=0, so the initial position is the value of x when t=0.
We can get the velocity (rate of change of position) at any instant by differentiating the equation with respect to t. The rules of differentiation give ##v=2at+b##. The initial velocity is the value of v when t=0.
To get the acceleration (rate of change of velocity) we differentiate again to get ##accn=2a##.
Thank you. I do understand that a bit better now!
 

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