Physics I and Calculus I Together

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the challenges of taking Physics I and Calculus I concurrently, particularly for a student with a background in precalculus. Participants explore the necessary mathematical skills for success in Physics I and share personal experiences regarding the timing of these courses.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Personal experience sharing
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about whether taking both classes together is manageable, given their current performance in precalculus.
  • Another participant suggests that while basic calculus skills are needed for Physics I, strong intermediate algebra and trigonometry skills are even more critical.
  • A suggestion is made that it might be better to complete Calculus I before starting Physics I to ensure a solid foundation.
  • A personal experience is shared where a participant took Calculus I first and found it challenging without prior exposure, indicating that taking both courses together could hinder success in Physics I.
  • Factors influencing success are proposed, including comfort with calculus, the timing of calculus concepts in the Physics I course, and confidence in self-teaching calculus as needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether taking both courses simultaneously is advisable. Some suggest it may be too challenging, while others believe it could be manageable with the right skills and preparation. No consensus is reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of individual preparedness and the specific course structure, which may vary by institution. There are unresolved questions about the timing of calculus concepts in relation to the physics curriculum.

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I'll be taking these two classes together this fall (along with an intermediate college writing class and a one-hour-per-week mathematics computing lab).

Am I biting off more than I can chew? I am getting an A- in precalculus, which I admit I only study the bare minimum and am about one or two correct answers from an A.

Here are the descriptions of the two classes:

Physics for Scientists and Engineers I: First semester of a two-semester sequence in calculus-based physics, primarily for students in science, math, computer science, and pre engineering. This semester covers topics in mechanics, including kinematics, Newton’s laws, and the conservation laws of energy, linear momentum, and angular momentum. Also covered are topics in gravity, fluid mechanics, waves, and thermodynamics. Class meets five hours per week in lecture/discussion format. One 3-hour lab per week.

Calculus I: Limits, continuity, differentiation, integration.

P.S. I am a 30 year-old freshman trying to find time to start a business or get a job at the same time. Maybe that's more than I can chew. Thanks for your input.
 
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You need some basic Calculus skills, although not too many, for Physics 1. What you plan is a risk, but you may do just fine. You need some skills in Calculus, but you need MORE skill with intermediate level Algebra and basic Trigonometry. You MUST know how to differentiate and to integrate simple functions.

Better would be study Calculus 1 BEFORE starting Physics 1.
 
btalbot said:
I'll be taking these two classes together this fall (along with an intermediate college writing class and a one-hour-per-week mathematics computing lab).

Am I biting off more than I can chew? I am getting an A- in precalculus, which I admit I only study the bare minimum and am about one or two correct answers from an A.

Here are the descriptions of the two classes:

Physics for Scientists and Engineers I: First semester of a two-semester sequence in calculus-based physics, primarily for students in science, math, computer science, and pre engineering. This semester covers topics in mechanics, including kinematics, Newton’s laws, and the conservation laws of energy, linear momentum, and angular momentum. Also covered are topics in gravity, fluid mechanics, waves, and thermodynamics. Class meets five hours per week in lecture/discussion format. One 3-hour lab per week.

Calculus I: Limits, continuity, differentiation, integration.

P.S. I am a 30 year-old freshman trying to find time to start a business or get a job at the same time. Maybe that's more than I can chew. Thanks for your input.

Don't you have an academic advisor that can advice you on this? He or she would know more about the requirements and coverage of each course, AND if any other students have done what you are attempting to do, and the outcome.

Zz.
 
Just from my own personal experience...

I took Calculus I my first semester of college after having zero exposure to calculus during high school. It was a challenge for me and required quite a lot of self-study and effort in order to become comfortable with the material.

I did not take Physics I until my second semester. At that point I was comfortable with the fundamentals of calculus and the mathematical aspects of the physics course were not an issue. Had I taken them concurrently I likely would not have been successful in completing the Physics I course because of my limited calculus abilities.

So I would say this depends on:

(1) How comfortable you are with basic calculus now.
(2) How soon in the Physics I course you are expected to make use of calculus concepts versus when those concepts are introduced in the Calculus I course.
(3) How confident you are in your ability to self-teach the needed calculus for your Physics I course when required
 

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