Physics research outside academia?

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The discussion revolves around the prospects of pursuing a research career in physics outside of academia, particularly for individuals with a Master of Physics (MPhys) degree. Participants explore options for internships, placements, and the potential for industrial Ph.D. programs, focusing on fields such as nuclear, atomic, solid state, and laser physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to work in research and development without pursuing a Ph.D., seeking information on companies that hire MPhys graduates for research roles.
  • Another participant notes that many companies look for physicists for research tasks and that a Ph.D. is not always necessary, although specific experience may be beneficial.
  • There is mention of the possibility of pursuing a Ph.D. in industry, with some participants questioning the nature of such programs.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding industrial Ph.D.s, indicating that they are granted by universities but involve research conducted in collaboration with industry, often requiring dual supervision.
  • Participants discuss the types of companies that offer industrial Ph.D. opportunities, suggesting that larger companies with substantial R&D departments are more common, though smaller companies may also provide such opportunities.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of existing links between university researchers and companies for successful industrial Ph.D. placements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the necessity of a Ph.D. for research roles in industry, with some suggesting it is not required while others highlight its potential advantages. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of industrial Ph.D. programs and the types of companies that offer them.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that industrial Ph.D.s are not yet common and that the landscape may vary by region, indicating a dependence on local academic and industrial partnerships.

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Wondering if somebody could help me.

I'm in the 3rd year of a 4 year MPhys course and at the point where I am actively applying for placements/internships etc and thinking about what to do after university.

I love physics don't get me wrong, but really don't fancy staying at uni for another 3/4 years to do a Ph.D. However, I do want to have a career in research and development where physics is a major contribution. Are there any companies where I could get a research based career with just a MPhys degree? I'm interested mainly in nuclear, atomic, solid state, laser physics. I'm also expecting to get a 1st class degree when I graduate.

Thanks
James
 
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Europe, or somewhere else where a MSc is common?
Many companies look for physicists for various research tasks. A PhD is rarely necessary, although experience in method X used by company Y can help a lot. Industrial research is more product-oriented, of course.
 
There is also the possibility of doing your Ph.D. in industry.
 
DrClaude said:
There is also the possibility of doing your Ph.D. in industry.

What sort of companies offer these if you know of any?
 
DrClaude said:
There is also the possibility of doing your Ph.D. in industry.
WHAT? An industry or company that grants advanced degrees to students or employees?
 
symbolipoint said:
WHAT? An industry or company that grants advanced degrees to students or employees?
No... Industrial Ph.D.s are granted by universities, but for research mostly done in industry. What happens most often is that one gets two supervisors, one at the university and the other at the company. It is not all that common yet, but in my corner of the world we are getting lots of incentive to do things like this, to bridge academia with industry.

jamez_302 said:
What sort of companies offer these if you know of any?
They usually are big companies, with a substantial R&D department. Although I know some people working with a smaller company, doing numerical simulations (the expertise on the simulations comes from the university, but the problem is applied to the work of the company).

This kind of Ph.D. probably works best if you can find an existing link that a university researcher has with a company.
 
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DrClaude said:
No... Industrial Ph.D.s are granted by universities, but for research mostly done in industry. What happens most often is that one gets two supervisors, one at the university and the other at the company. It is not all that common yet, but in my corner of the world we are getting lots of incentive to do things like this, to bridge academia with industry.They usually are big companies, with a substantial R&D department. Although I know some people working with a smaller company, doing numerical simulations (the expertise on the simulations comes from the university, but the problem is applied to the work of the company).

This kind of Ph.D. probably works best if you can find an existing link that a university researcher has with a company.
Nice description and nice idea.
 

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