Pipe Pressure from discharge in Tank

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the pressure of water just before it exits a pipe connected to a cylindrical tank. Participants explore fluid mechanics principles, including the impact of pipe diameter and atmospheric pressure, within the context of static and dynamic fluid scenarios.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the pressure can be calculated using the formula pressure = rho * gravity * change in height, questioning the relevance of pipe diameter in this calculation.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative formula for pressure, incorporating specific fluid density and gravitational constants.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the pressure just before the water exits the pipe is simply atmospheric pressure (14.7 psi), arguing that the pressure in the stream remains constant just before and after exiting the pipe.
  • One participant agrees with the applicability of the proposed formula but later clarifies that it only holds if the pipe's lower end is sealed, indicating that free discharge into the atmosphere results in atmospheric pressure at the pipe's exit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of pipe diameter and the appropriate pressure calculation method. There is no consensus on the correct approach to determining the pressure at the pipe's exit.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding fluid flow conditions and the impact of atmospheric pressure are not fully explored. The discussion includes references to specific formulas and conditions under which they may or may not apply.

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The diagram attached is a picture of the problem I have. I have a 10ft tall cylindrical tank with 20ft of pipe directly under it. The tank at full capacity can hold 100 gallons of water or 10 gallons per ft. I want to calculate the pressure of the water right before it leaves the pipe 20ft below. The pipe is of 1" diameter. I know from fluid mechanics that pressure=rho*gravity*change in height. Is it important to apply the diameter of the pipe into the calculation or is it negligible?? Thank in advance!
 

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Or is the following formula applicable?

Pressure= 14.7psi + [1.96 slug/ft^3*[30*(12)]in*[(32.2)*(12)]in/s^2]
 
You're making it too difficult. The pressure is simply 14.7 psi. Think about what the pressure inside the stream is a fraction of an inch after leaving the pipe. The pressure in the stream a fraction of an inch before leaving the pipe must be the same.

The flow inside the pipe will adjust itself so that the head loss in the pipe equals the pressure at the bottom of the tank.
 
bro I think the formula is applicable indeed, anyway if you want help in such fluid dynamics or static problem visit this webpage it explains it all : http://wwwfiravia.com/mecheng.html
 
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firavia said:
bro I think the formula is applicable indeed, anyway if you want help in such fluid dynamics or static problem visit this webpage it explains it all : http://wwwfiravia.com/mecheng.html

Nope. It would be appropriate only if the lower end of the pipe were sealed and there were no flow. Because the flow is discharging freely into the atmosphere, the pressure at the bottom of the pipe is 1 atmosphere.
 
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