Planetary Systems within Elliptical Binary Stars?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the formation and stability of planetary systems within elliptical binary star systems. Participants explore the implications of tidal forces and orbital dynamics on the potential for planets to exist in such environments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references an article about circumbinary planets and questions whether most elliptical binary star systems can host planets due to tidal forces.
  • Another participant suggests that planets would need to be located well outside the orbital radius of the binary stars to maintain stability.
  • A further contribution indicates that planets can also exist in stable configurations where they orbit closely to one star in a binary system, with the other star acting as a perturbation.
  • One participant acknowledges that the mass of the stars and the specifics of their orbits play a crucial role in determining the stability of planetary systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which planets can exist in binary star systems, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the matter.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of orbital dynamics and the influence of stellar mass and configuration on planetary stability, but does not resolve the specific conditions necessary for stable planetary orbits in binary systems.

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I read this article in Nature (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature10768.html) as it describes two circumbinary planets. If it is assumed that most stars have a planet orbiting it and most Binary Star systems are elliptical, then wouldn't the majority of Binary Stars system not have planets due to tidal forces of both stars? I am assuming the orbital path of the stars to be intersecting in a figure "eight" pattern (e.g. the last animation of barycentric coordinates on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycentric_coordinates_(astronomy)).

Thanks in advance.
 
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I would expect that any planets would have to be well outside the orbital radius of the two binary stars or they would become unstable.
 
Drakkith said:
I would expect that any planets would have to be well outside the orbital radius of the two binary stars or they would become unstable.
Well outside or well inside. The cited article is about planets orbiting well beyond the orbits of a pair of stars that orbit one another closely (close binaries). Another stable configuration is a pair of stars that orbit one another by some distance, with planets orbiting closely to one of the stars. In this configuration the other star just acts as a perturbation on the planetary orbits.
 
True, I guess it depends on the mass of the stars and the details of their orbits.
 

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