Plasma in a Vacuum Reacting to Magnetic Field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of a plasma composed of equal parts electrons and protons in a vacuum when subjected to an external magnetic field. Participants explore various aspects of plasma dynamics, including particle motion, interactions, and the potential for current generation in response to the magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the plasma will react to the magnetic field, proposing several possibilities including the generation of currents that might cancel the external field, circular motion of charged particles, or a redistribution of the plasma.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that the magnetic field will cause currents to cancel out the field, prompting a discussion on the nature of plasma and magnetic field interactions.
  • There is a suggestion that the plasma may attempt to expel the external magnetic field, leading to counteracting currents.
  • Participants discuss the motion of charged particles in a magnetic field, noting that a proton experiences a Lorentz force and that the resulting motion is generally helical rather than circular.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding particle velocity distributions, mentioning that plasma typically follows a Maxwell distribution.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the plasma will maintain its composition or separate into distinct electron and proton clouds under the influence of the magnetic field.
  • Another participant asserts that the electric field is responsible for separating opposite charges, suggesting that the plasma will not be torn apart by the magnetic field alone.
  • It is noted that while the average electric field in an evenly distributed plasma is zero, localized fields near particles can be significant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the behavior of the plasma in response to the magnetic field, with no consensus reached on the specific outcomes or mechanisms involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the ultimate fate of the plasma's composition and the effects of particle interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, particularly regarding the assumptions of low collision frequency and the implications of particle-particle interactions, which complicate the analysis.

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So, assume you have a plasma in a vacuum made of an even distribution of 50% electrons and 50% protons all flowing in one direction with low collision frequency. Then you suddenly turn on an external magnetic field and watch what happens. How will the plasma react?

Will the magnetic field lines cause currents that will cancel the magnetic field out within the plasma? Will the electrons and protons start going in circles in opposite directions? Will the plasma redistribute into currents that align with the magnetic field? Will something else happen?
 
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Why do you feel that the field lines will cause currents that will cancel out the field within the plasma?
 
Because it seems like the plasma might try to expel the external magnetic field from itself, causing currents to counter the external field and keep whatever field it initially had, internally.

Edit: I'm really confused on what will happen, because it seems like it could do so many things and none stick out in my mind as what will actually happen.
 
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That is why we should attack the questions one after the other. First, what happens to a proton which is moving with some velocity, and you suddenly turn on a magnetic field?
If we answer this question clearly, the rest of the things will follow. How much have you learned about motion of a charged particle in a magnetic field?
 
It could experience an additional Lorentz force, q*(v x B) (additional to the forces already experienced by particle-particle interactions)

Are you implying that the electrons and protons will start going in circles in opposite directions?
 
If you try to include particle - particle interactions, the problem becomes intractable by any elementary methods. Your assumption of low collision frequency also implies low density, and I would neglect the inter-particle interaction, at least until we understand the rest of it.

Circular motion in a magnetic field is a very special case, where the velocity is perpendicular to the field. In general, the motion is helical.
 
Ok, so helical - specifically the axis of the helix (does that make sense?) would be in the direction of the magnetic field? Does that likewise mean the plasma would separate out (into an electron cloud and a proton cloud) or does the plasma try to maintain it's composition?
 
The magnetic field is indeed the axis of the helix. The radius of the orbit of a charge in a magnetic field is R = mv/qB, where v is the component of the velocity perpendicular to the magnetic field. So a lot of the details you are asking for depends on the velocity distribution of the charges. It is certainly not true that all the particles have the same velocity.
 
Thanks for answering my questions!

Ok, so particle velocity distributions I don't know a lot about either... Plasma follows a Maxwell distribution, though, right? Assuming that, would the plasma somehow stay a mass of protons and electrons or would it eventually split out into two separate groups, ignoring particle-particle interactions? In other words, is there anything happening in a plasma that would mean the particles would try to rearrange themselves and stay a unit or would the magnetic field ultimately rip the plasma apart?
 
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I don't see the ripping apart happening. It is the electric field that tends to rip opposite charges apart.
 
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And in an evenly distributed plasma of an equal number of positive and negative charges, the E-field should essentially be 0 everywhere?
 
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Well, the average E field, averaged over a reasonably large region, is zero. If you measure the E field close to any of the particles, certainly you will see a large field
 
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Got it. Thanks for your help!
 

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