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Welcome to the PF.

Your Profile page says that you have a Master's degree, and are working on your PhD. From your question, I'm guessing that your MS degree is not in Physics or Engineering? Can you please tell us a bit more about your educational background? Have you learned vector calculus yet? That would help us a lot in answering your questions about plasmas and magnetic fields. Thanks.

Also, it's helpful to know what density of a plasma you are talking about. At very low plasma densities, you may just be able to use the Lorentz Force for simple calculations (are you familiar with that equation?).

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/imgmag/lorfor.gif

At higher densities, you have to deal with some pretty complex fluid dynamics effects, as addressed in the classic Plasma Physics textbook by Chen (and others).

Finally, is this question from your homework?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/3319223089/?tag=pfamazon01-20

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My goal is to determine what is the best way to approach this problem, and if possible, an equation or system of equations which would allow me to determine the deflection angle of the plasma should it be deflected by an external steady state magnetic field.

Most information on this (magnetically deflected arcs) seems to be oriented towards transferred arcs or free-burning arcs and not towards non-transferred atmospheric pressure plasmas.

I kept my post vague initially in an effort to not hinder views or thwart help on the subject matter so I hope this clairification makes sense. Again, thank you for your help.

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All that said, one way to try to make headway might be to treat the plasma as if it were a thermal gas of charged particles. If you did that, you'd have a distribution to use for the momenta of the individual particles, which could be used to estimate how the motions of the particles would be changed by the application of a magnetic field. You may have to consider feedback effects, where motion of the plasma changes the electromagnetic field.

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To continue the discussion:

The mass of the ions are much greater than the mass of the protons. If by assuming they are in LTE thus having the same temperature thus the same velocity, their respective interaction with the magnetic field differs. Some interesting things I have come across states that for a plasma jet to penetrate into a traverse magnetic field, the kinetic energy density of the plasma jet must overcome the magnetic energy density of the transverse magnetic field:

Should the magnetic field be strong enough, the particles will become entrapped as in the case with magnetic mirrors.

When dealing with the Lorentz force equation if there is no externally applied electric field does E=0 in the Lorentz equation or, because of the existence of both electrons and ions, is there an induced electric field that must be taken into consideration and thus a self induced magnetic field?

When solving the Lorentz force equation you can set

which can be used to then relate to the centripetal force and thus deduce the radius of the orbit of gyration of the particles about the magnetic field line.

Is there some way to determine if the particles will stay "attached" to the magnetic field lines or rather be slingshot around them thus producing a deflection angle from their incident trajectory along the x-direction? In other words, what requirement is there that a particle has to gyrate around a magnetic field line?

The mass of the ions are much greater than the mass of the protons. If by assuming they are in LTE thus having the same temperature thus the same velocity, their respective interaction with the magnetic field differs. Some interesting things I have come across states that for a plasma jet to penetrate into a traverse magnetic field, the kinetic energy density of the plasma jet must overcome the magnetic energy density of the transverse magnetic field:

Should the magnetic field be strong enough, the particles will become entrapped as in the case with magnetic mirrors.

When dealing with the Lorentz force equation if there is no externally applied electric field does E=0 in the Lorentz equation or, because of the existence of both electrons and ions, is there an induced electric field that must be taken into consideration and thus a self induced magnetic field?

When solving the Lorentz force equation you can set

which can be used to then relate to the centripetal force and thus deduce the radius of the orbit of gyration of the particles about the magnetic field line.

Is there some way to determine if the particles will stay "attached" to the magnetic field lines or rather be slingshot around them thus producing a deflection angle from their incident trajectory along the x-direction? In other words, what requirement is there that a particle has to gyrate around a magnetic field line?

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