Please explain Diffusion in Neuroscience to me like I'm 5 years old

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The discussion revolves around the concept of diffusion in neuroscience, particularly in relation to neuronal membranes and how it differs or aligns with the principles of diffusion in physics. Participants explore the implications of diffusion for neural activity and its role in cognitive processes.

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  • One participant expresses a fascination with neuroscience and seeks clarity on how diffusion operates within neuronal membranes, noting a background understanding of diffusion in physics.
  • Another participant describes the de-polarization wave along a semi-permeable neural membrane as driven by concentration gradients and ionic charges, specifically mentioning Na+ and K+ ions.
  • A participant questions whether the Harvard course adequately addresses the original query about diffusion, providing a link to the course material.
  • A later reply suggests that diffusion at the molecular level is fundamentally similar to physics, involving ions with electrical properties, and introduces concepts like super diffusion and subdiffusion, which may complicate the understanding of diffusion in biological contexts.
  • Another participant mentions the concept of electrically coupled neurons and how it relates to diffusion, referencing "reaction-diffusion" systems and the role of electrical coupling in neuronal activity.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanation of diffusion in neuroscience, with multiple perspectives presented regarding its complexity and relation to physics.

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Some participants note that the discussion may gloss over complexities such as turbulence, crowding, and the nuances of different types of diffusion (normal vs. anomalous), which could affect the understanding of diffusion in neural contexts.

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Explain Diffusion in Neuroscience like I'm 5
I've been developing a deep fascination in neuroscience after experiencing cognitive decline for a while. I've been dabbling in medicinal mushrooms, supplements, meditation, among other treatments and therapies and feel much better but this lead to a deep fascination into how the brain actually works.

I'm taking Harvard's free online course on Neuroscience which I have been breezing through. One thing has stumped me and it's how diffusion works in the context of the membrane of a neuron. I understand what diffusion is in Physics though, it's lost on me in Biology.
 
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The de-polarization wave along a semi permeable neural membrane , ie a nerve impulse. Is driven by concentration gradients and ionic charges, Na+ and K+
 
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Zeus2002 said:
TL;DR Summary: Explain Diffusion in Neuroscience like I'm 5
Now, Zeus, I think you should leave neuroscience until you are a little older. Repeat after me:

1 x 1 = 1
1 x 2 = 2
...
 
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It depends on what you mean. At the molecular level, it's not any different than physics. It's just diffusion with ions (which also have electrical properties). Diffusion in the real world co-exists with turbulence and eddie currents (super diffusion) and crowding and tight geometry (subdiffusion) so in some cases that may be glossed over and/or treated as the canonical Brownian motion (i.e. normal diffusion) (See anomalous diffusion).

The other use of "diffusion" I'm familiar with is electrically coupled (as opposed to synaptically coupled) neurons because the coupling terms looks like a diffusion term so it's often called diffusive coupling. The term arises from "reaction-diffusion" systems, which is a "nonlinear systems" term and the electrical coupling plays a diffusive role in the reaction diffusion system (the neuron spiking being the reaction role).
 

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