Pliz help me with calculus limits proof of (e)

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of the expression (1 + 1/x)^x as x approaches infinity, which is associated with the mathematical constant e. Participants are exploring the nature of this limit within the context of calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the limit is a definition of e and question the possibility of proving a definition. Others propose using the binomial theorem to establish bounds for e. There are inquiries about starting points for the proof and discussions about the need for techniques like L'Hôpital's Rule.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the nature of the limit and its relationship to the definition of e, while others express uncertainty about how to begin the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential circularity in using the definition of e and the natural logarithm in the proof process. There is also mention of the need for a detailed approach to evaluate the limit rather than simply stating it as a definition.

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Some on ehelp me prove this in detailed format using the knowledge of limits.



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lim(x-->infinity)(1+1/x)^x=e
 
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some body help.
 
i just need a starting point i don't know where to begin from?
 
according to my knowledge of calculus; that is one of the DEFINITIONS of e; you can't prove a definition.

But if you insert n = 1; you get 2.
And if you use the bionomial theorem, you can show that this limit is AT most 3.

So that 2< e < 3

So you can "only" show that this limit DOES exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_theorem
 
thanx a lot.
 
Help on partial derivatives...

Some one give me a starting point on this question
Givev all are partial derivatives.

Find (df/dx) and (df/dx) if f(x,y)=tan-1(y/x^(1/2))
 
i think you meant df/dx and df/dy, and when finding partial derivatives, treat every other variable as a constant except the one you are differentiating with respect to.
 
malawi_glenn said:
So you can "only" show that this limit DOES exists.

You can show that the limit is e, but I think you need something at least as strong as L'Hopital's Rule (after taking the natural logarithm of the expression and arranging the result into appropriate form) to prove it. I'm not aware of a nice shortcut.
 
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dynamicsolo said:
You can show that the limit is e, but I think you need something at least as strong as L'Hopital's Rule (after taking the natural logarithm of the expression and arranging the result into appropriate form) to prove it. I'm not aware of a nice shortcut.

According to my books, this is the definition of e, they (and me) could be wrong. I mean, the natural logarithm requires that you already have e and e^x right?
 
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malawi_glenn said:
According to my books, this is the definition of e, they (and me) could be wrong. I mean, the natural logarithm requires that you already have e and e^x right?

It is one definition of e, but it can be shown that this limit would have to have that value to be consistent with the definition of natural logarithm. I'd agree that there would be a certain circularity beyond that: you get as far as showing that this value must be the same as the base for natural logarithms.

(I had a look at what Wikipedia has on e, which jibes pretty much with the history I was familiar with. There are various ways to get e and, beyond that, you would just have checks for consistency.)

In any event, I think the OP was looking for a method of evaluating the limit, so they couldn't just say "it's the definition".
 
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The least thing we can say is that everything is coherent ;)
 

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